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Is production more important than the actual music??

Magox
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Posted : Nov 30, 2006 23:24
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On 2006-11-30 15:21, Filteria wrote:
Something i've been reading in rewievs-section and also here in general.

"The music is pretty boring (or we've heard this 1000000 times before). But it has great production so its good"

I start to feel that some people look at the production first, and then the actuall music.
I mean if you don't like the music what difference does it make if the music is well produced or not?? If you want well produced music, check out DR. Dre beats or Britney

So i was wondering: why do some of you people go for production in the first place instead of the music?
I believe the music itself is the most important thing.
Discuss?



EXACTLY !!!!

its all about the SOUND!!!........thats what good music is...........organized, structured SOUND, that creates good feelings.......This is what matters to me.......the rest.....is just secondary....

unless you are out to see 'madonna' give you a 'show'....


           "On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others"
Kane
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Posted : Nov 30, 2006 23:29
It's both that makes good music..I think what the people you're seeing are talking about is that they don't personally like the music but It's produced well for the people that do..

Not sure, but otherwise I agree..

I always considered artists that make tracks producers anyway..so I'm not sure what you're talking about..Mastering and finalization?
Arronax
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 01:05
i agree with filteria completely... as an artist, today, i have a feeling that many ppl listen, create and observe psymusic from a "physical" and not "spiritual" aspect....

I have absolutely nothing against good production, but what i think is that artists should pay more attention to the spirit of the sound they're creating, and let the engineers do the physical work..
Or, if they want to be engineers too, then at least make it 50 : 50, as trippyjohnny said..

I don't want to generalize anything, but it's just our reality... every week - several releases, and some of them sound just like an experiment of some sound technician, who's trying to make his equipment sound the best it can...
as i already said before, i don't have anything against awesome production... but i do have many things against bad and repetitive tracks that usually go with the "killargh" word
Andrew
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 01:45
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On 2006-11-30 16:06, kazuku wrote:

If the composistion is crap in the first place its a shame to produce it in such high quality




couldn't agree with you more mate!

Andrew
ben
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 01:54
well the bottom line is this...

i can listen do an album that is well composed even if the production is lacking (e.g the gathering from IM), but i can't listen to a very well produced album if the music is not good...

so the main thing is music, then production...
Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 08:37
i my eyes the production is not able to be splitted from the music. if you go for a dinner and you think the whole dinner is pure waste of cooking time you wont be able to say "but the tomatoes have been good" so its maybe a good dinner.

its all working together and the result counts. splitting a song in different aspects to analyze it has nothing to do with music. music is always about feeling and emotion. trying to seperate it into analyzeable parts where you can say by fact it is good or not, doenst helps to understand music. you cant measure something which is not impartial. music is not impartial it is 100% something subjective.
say you like it or not, but please dont try to make music measurable with such side-effect results like the quality of a kickdrum for example. what counts in a dinner is the whole composition.
Outolintu
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 11:31

like the saying goes:
"it's the inside that counts"

this goes also for music. and when you start to think of it it's not a surprise that now as people are so outside-orientated ( =does my hair look good? argh, wrinkles! omg, you have a hair sticking out of your body!!!) music reflects on it. superficial music for suoperficial people.
i would rather listen to a poorly mixed masterpiece than a ultra maximized soundwall of nothing.
and about "good production": i really can't understand how someone can honestly say that it's good when sound becomes so clear, packed, unnatural and thus distorted that it hurts your ears (many "top notch producers"
have this effect on my ears). the production craze has gone too far already...




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Aida Noridania


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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 13:58
for me what counts in music is the story it tells, as to me music is like a universal language...

if i were to speak English or Dutch or French in for example Arabia lots of people may not understand me, but if i would play a song people will feel it this depending on how much of my true expression i did put in my track...

i noticed that sometimes one type of sound or song that i bring into a "lo fi environment has a very different expression then if i would have given it a top notch crystal clear perfect production... as also the production of my tracks is a part of the whole...

i see using effects or my mixing console as also using a musical instrument... sometimes making a track sound more dull and more "warm" gives the best reflection of what i want to share/express, sometimes a top notch production does that job...

i guess it's a part of how yuou see your music and how you wish to "finish it as a whole

if a track is really good the message will get through... even if the mastering would not be ideal... if a track is boring then it may be mastered by the best engeneer, it won't make it a good track...

so basicly i do agree with what has been said

i personally often explicitly go to look for imperfections of a poor quality, not because i don't want high quality, just because in some cases it may just be an asset that gives a sound or track that emotion i wish it to have

so nope for me quality doesn't say everything, what's being told by the song that is played is what matters most...
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 14:24
i see it the way like mantik/kitnam

In electronic music, the production is just a part like the arrangment, the sounds, the melodies etc...
Production is a creative process like dooing melodies for example. Some like it messy, some like it dry etc...
Production in electronic music is so important, that you cant say it doesnt matter if its well produced or not as long as the musical content is good.

Its true that these days alot of very good produced music without "soul" is released, but thats a completle other issue.

Fact is: good produced music SOUNDS better than bad produced music...and music is about sounds right..

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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 19:46
No,production is not more important than the actual music but this doesnt mean ofcourse that one should focus just on his creativity,imagination and musical talent while ignoring the technical aspects of producing electronic music in our days.

Like everything in life music production demands a balance between talent and knowledge in both music and technical aspects in order for the result to be of high standards.

Thats why i insist that in our days people focus a lot on the technical aspect of their sound and totally ignore the harmonic and creative part of music,people purchase a powerful pc and some software programs like cubase and logic and think that they can transform into music producers into a couple of months,thats absolutely not the case and the same ofcourse is true for people who possess the necessery music skills and talent but are not familiar with using a computer and the appropriate programs.

For me someone who is really serious into producing electronic music should spend at least couple of years into learning the fundamental things in both the theory of music and how to use a pc and its programs for music production purposes,too bad that there are no schools for giving us extra talent though.

Big will,hard work,a lot of time,the necessery knowledge,some talent and a little bit of money are the keys to success.

Unfortunately in our days young people ignore most of these things and the results are tragic for everyone involved in our small scene.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt

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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 20:24
My opinion is that you need both to the music and the quality today to make an impression in people's hearth and mind...because if it's good quality but no story than who is going to listen to that? And vice versa if it's no good production quality than it sounds like old music or even worse because some old music has really amazing production quality! There has to be a balance, i think if you work with love than you work to achieve both Story and production quality, why not? if you work from your hearth there is no ruch there is just TRance the perfect and only thing that matters, so work as long as it takes until finally you are very happy with the music ...

          Boom :)

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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 20:32
yes yes but we don't need plastic asses and slippery gelled hair.
pH_
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 22:48
all the production in the world means nothing if the music itself is nothing. i would rather listen to unique music thats passionate than to listen to some copy and paste cookie cutter cheese crap.

i think goa speaks for itself.... lacks production, but the music is what we love..
maggot


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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 06:34
both are importaint , a balance is needed .. very good ideas in a bad executed way spoils a lot of the potential fun if was better sound wise , also the other way around works little diffrent , very bad tracks with very good sound quality make it a bit more fun to listen
Aluxe
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 07:36
The problem is some musical ideas simply don't come through and are lost entirely because of bad production. So in a lot of ways production can be like learning an instrument or learning some boring musical theory neccessary to get your musical thoughts accross.

And like some here already said, production can also be the music itself, because with it you can color, texture and set the mood of the story. And so with music and art, if you can make it work, there are no rules and you can use anything and everything however creatively you want. So if you want to obsess about production, go right ahead if that's what you are really feeling.

Yeah, be free and do your own thing so it has soul !!!
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