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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 17:32
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Damn, spotted.
*Googles $200 Midi controllers and changes name to Simone*
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 17:38
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Bash me: But more psychedelic substance experiences will make more psychedelic music. Also people should take their head out the window and listen to other "genres" for inspiration. But most important. Know what psychedelic "is" before you try to create a psychedelic track.
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 17:39
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But seriously - that's a fucking good point C. I can't speak about the trance side of things so much, which I'm aware this thread is based on, but there is some deathly boring chill/ambient out there that frankly defies some of the attributes attached to it by certain promoters and distributers. Thankfully, downbeat seems to have a much broader scope with respect to what is acceptable and/or original so I can't really complain. There are some amazing artists out there who's tracks I have really enjoyed over the last couple of years, artists I know for a fact work from home studios, so in some ways I don't think it's all bad news that so many musicians can now have access to production equipment if they want it. It's just a case of filtering through the chaff to get to the good stuff, which can be harder than it sounds I know. Most of the music I love now I have discovered by accident or has been recommended by people whose opinions I trust. One man's shit is another man's life-changing album, it's true. XX |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 17:54
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 18:28
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I mean, does anyone (artists, as they like to call them self) make psychedelic music under the influence of psychedelic substances, or is this a very taboo thing to even mention? .. I remember the young days when the rumours said that Simon, Astral and other goodies made lsd music on lsd .. lol. Oh how I miss the mystery of not knowing anything.
piss on me, poop on me. I will still smell fresh and clean 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 19:14
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Quality control in the scene has gone way down over the last 10 years. Everyone with a PC and a $100 MIDI controller keyboard thinks they're the new Simon Posford. FFS wake up and smell the need for actual talent.
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whats "actual talent" ?
"Everyone with a PC and a $100 MIDI controller keyboard thinks they're the new Simon Posford"
damn thats a whole lot of people that wants to be like Simon Postford   
can you have a midi controller and a pc without thinking you are the new Simon Postford? or is everybody doomed here?  
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 19:18
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 19:27
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On 2006-04-10 19:18, Colin OOOD wrote:
No... everybody's doomed. And if you don't believe everyone wants to be like SP you should have checked out Psynews a couple of months ago crazy, I tell you.
BTW, who is Simon Postford?
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haha, i just read the thread in the top about Simon Posford, *laughing* I always believed he was called Postford sorry for my ignorance! i have sinned...
I have to check out psynews...
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IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 12:15
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On 2006-04-10 19:18, Colin OOOD wrote:
BTW, who is Simon Postford?
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Postman Pat's homie.
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K - OS
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 12:46
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I really appreciate the points of Krell and Lokus,it has allways been so the last 10 years and imo it won't change,especially the bigger the scene grows the more commercial the style of the psy'll change,and I really don't think that making psychedelic music depends on psychedelic experiences....imo it's much more that you have to be a good musician in the first place....if you are one,then u can make psychedelic experiences wich can make ur music better or also not...but it's definately not good for the genre if every shit production is released immediatly...even if it has allways been so!
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 15:08
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Yes but that's part of the job of the record label - to recognise when music has the power to change lives. Trawling through hours of rubbish music just in case you hear something great will ruin your discrimination rapidly.
Label owners: ask yourself a question. "What do I base my release decisions on - the absolute quality of a piece of music in all its aspects, or the ease with which it will sell?" |
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Again, that's a really good point and definitely one that needs addressing in all genres of music, still I have a few "buts" nonetheless. (No, I'm not talking of the copious amounts of cheese and chocolate currently residing on my rear end, so no wibbly arse jokes please. )
It's clear that many record labels release purely on the grounds of sellability, irrespective of the music itself. However again, I would say it's such a subjective thing - what constitutes quality, talent, life-changing music and so on and so forth - that ultimately it is/would be impossible to lay the blame solely at the door of record labels/A&R peeps, if blame can indeed be laid anywhere. (I see it more as a combination of factors myself.)
For example, I've been debating the fabulousness of SP and Shpongle to many people who think he's way overrated in several threads recently...point being something I think has merit will sound like total shit to another consumer. The same can only be true of those who remain in charge of signings and distributions, since presumably they too are human beings with opinions/personal taste etc. It's inevitable that we get the rehashed shit because ultimately music is a business like any other and sadly many labels and artists are in it purely for the money. However even those who are genuinely in it for the love of music first and foremost will find that some of what they release will be deemed rubbish by certain consumers, in the same way others might find that same music mind-blowing.
And I'd also argue your point about ruining discrimination; yes, perhaps that's the case for some, but for many I think it's a little like the commercial charts thing, Pop Idol, bloody Girls Aloud making shit loads of cash based on naught but a hip-swing. Without the crap to compare it too, how would really know what good music is? Like, how do you know that you are truly happy if you've never been sad? Type of thing. In a nutshell, I think the opposite of what you say is also true; crap music offers a buffer for your discrimination and can actually enhance it. Hearing what I consider rubbish music only makes me want to seek out the good stuff, and I appreciate it more when I find it. There are enough sites now where you can hear decent samples and have a good idea what you are going to get before your money is spent. And of course, we'd have nothing to complain about if it were all good crack, know what I mean? 
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Hippy? Me?? I have no idea what you mean...
No seriously, knowing you a little as I do both as a musician and on a personal level, and as an active recording artists within the scene, I can imagine it is terribly frustrating trying to get your music heard when it's swimming in a sea of some of the utter shite that seems to get so much of a look in. So for all I'm playing devil's advocate here, I see where you are coming from and realise that my opinion is somewhat consumerist and naive by comparison.
Much love. XX
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ganjagil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2006 21:53
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I think that not everybody is made to make music, and the problem nowadays is more that people start to make music to be famous then because of the love inside...the result lots of crappy music and difficulty to find new real and orginal talents!
My opinion Bom
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mindgames
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Posted : Apr 15, 2006 13:03
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On 2006-04-10 18:28, psytones wrote:
I mean, does anyone (artists, as they like to call them self) make psychedelic music under the influence of psychedelic substances, or is this a very taboo thing to even mention? .. I remember the young days when the rumours said that Simon, Astral and other goodies made lsd music on lsd .. lol. Oh how I miss the mystery of not knowing anything.
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gandharva
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 18:01
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i just saw the vision quest the gathering 2005 dvd. and gives me one(or more)reason to think this way. people try to sing like pop stars... awfull gitar samples... this looks like a euro trance pop gathering.were is the psychadelic stuff???
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wicc@
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 18:11
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from my xperience this year, almost all the new full on/prog realeses sux, while the new dark psy 1s, most of them are kilers!
and it's not that i listen only to darkpsy, i still sometimes listen to prog or full on , if the track is really someting!
dunno why that, also,
many well known artists that till now where good,
sound worse this year,
dunno why/? (maybe well known and dont work on it?..) on the other hand, u see new artists, make a hell of work and progress and make themselves better..
p3ac3..
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