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I'm so tired of your whining!
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 19:47
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this was an answer to a thread but i feel you all should get the chance to answer since I kinda judge whole Isratrance in a way.
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frankly I'm tired of people who whines about the lack of quality in our genre.
a short story:
I have a (girl) friend who recently went to her first Psy party and as most of us she got blown away by the music and the atmosphere. She began to ask me about stuff regarding the genre and I tried to guide her in her search for psychedelic experiences. I told her about different styles, festivals, artists etc. and when she asked about places where she could meet people with similar interests and read stuff i natually pointed her this way.
Now what happened when she came in here? -well, she contacted me some days after and asked me if there was another place other than Isratrance she could visit. I asked why? and she answered that she would like to find people who LIKED Psychedelic-trance and not people who only talked about how everything was better in the old days, how artists, labels etc. only think about money, how all the releases sounds alike etc. basicly how sad and bad everything is -I wish I could have proved her wrong, but lets face it, that is pretty much the "headline" of Isratrance's Debates these days.
Now my friend who doesn't live near any trance people or parties, so she was hoping that the internet would be of help but actually ended up kinda giving up on it all. she still wants to come hear our liveset next time we are at a party enar her, bu she had the feeling that her VERY positive attitude towards a new and promising Experience and even lifestyle, was totally disillusioned after a couple of days in this forum.
This girl would probably have been a very active Trancer if I have the right idea about her. -but now she prolly will never be.
Now- what does this have to do with anything?
-Well I for one partially agrees with her views. that is, I will not leave and bail out, but I do think all this whining and dissing is a big part of the problem. and yes, I do agree that there are non stimulating tendencies in our scene, but wth. it's not like I am forced to listen to the tracks I do not like so they really are not a part of my trance experience at all.
lets take another genre and compare it with our genre. for instance hip-hop. Is there any similar problems with similar sounding tracks comming from there? .... omg yes! og how about, lets say rock music... -well rock music has always been popular and popular music makes money which is why big labels invest alot in that stuff and we all know big labels never really release artists with groundbreaking new sounds. -no they get the popular artists from the indie labels and either promote them copy the sound. so yes the money in the rock industry are too invested into known material that is guaranteed to please the masses rather than the new sounds and initiatives.
-I could probably go on like this forever, but my point is that THE WHOLE MUSIC SCENE has these "problems" and allways has had them. the only exception is when new genres take form and they are still underground, like acid, raves etc, punk etc.
but WHY ARE WE THE ONES WHO CAN't FUCKING GET OVER THE FACT that we are not underground anymore??
now I know that it is possible to listen to great hip-hop without listening to pathetic stuff like 50-cent etc. and I know I am the only one who decides if i should buy the new "Good Charlotte" album or the new "Bob Dylan" album. there is no problem there, just as there is no problem in me not buying the new skazi album when i browse the new releases at the local trance shop.
this leads to the second point. if people buy more bad releases in our genres than they buy good and newthinking stuff, either you/I (in the spirit of the democracy) is the one who are all wrong regaring quality since overruled by the mayority, or as I'd like to think, you/I just have a different taste and maybe even an urge to get deeper into the perfectionism of our music than the mayority does. if the mayority then at some point stops liking the quickly produced comecial stuff, well.. it wouldt be comercial anymore and therefor wouldn't be released.
to put it shortly :
I think you all should stop trying to be so fucking negative about everything and instead just see our genre as it is, -namely so gigantic, and confusing that you really have no choice but to accept that your focus of interest can't be on every single piece of music (and shit) that is released but instead on the stuff that you like, and if your focus was put there then maybe you could write about that and inspire other people, both newcommers and pioneers instead of making everybody depressive or even scaring some entirely away.
-and if there really is no stuff you like, well... -what the hell are you even doing here?
yeah I now I wrote too much! :s sry
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 19:58
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On 2006-10-03 19:47, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
what the hell are you even doing here?
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Same as you, whining!!  |
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 20:08
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This years most ironic post 
But yeah, I aggree.. even tough the bpm-threads are funny to debate in  |
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 20:16
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I am quite sure that girl would never have lasted long anyway if a few days online can make her give up on something. Maybe she was not that interested after all 
And sorry but it's hardly anyone's fault that she gave up.. But her own fault!
I wont stay up at night because she did not join the "clan".
And i agree with dennis... you whine just as much yourself
Let people debate what they want and say what they want without telling them how to think and what's cool or not. If you do not like their "whining" then join the debates you like. life's easy isen't it
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Troll@CrackWhoreModels
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 20:23
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 20:27
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I agree with Pythagoraz.
He is right on the money in what he says.
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Pythagoraz
TimeDrained / Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 20:48
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On 2006-10-03 20:16, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I am quite sure that girl would never have lasted long anyway if a few days online can make her give up on something. Maybe she was not that interested after all
And sorry but it's hardly anyone's fault that she gave up.. But her own fault!
I wont stay up at night because she did not join the "clan".
And i agree with dennis... you whine just as much yourself
Let people debate what they want and say what they want without telling them how to think and what's cool or not. If you do not like their "whining" then join the debates you like. life's easy isen't it
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yes I should have named the thread:
"I'm so tired of your whining about trance music!"
-and avoided these kind of answers.
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NoxLupi
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 21:00
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On 2006-10-03 19:58, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2006-10-03 19:47, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
what the hell are you even doing here?
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Same as you, whining!!
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Interesting feedback! this is like popping the purple guys 4ton balloon.. allso called being a dick or not realy thinking..
You just added this to start yet another useless flame. this is exactly what he was issueing here! where are the good vibes? where is the atmosphere. you guys are behaving like old people!
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 21:05
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I'm tired of your whining about my whining about TrippyJohnny's whining about the current state of Psy-Trance
On a serious note: All this whining is bullshit. A week and a half ago i was on my best party ever. Here in Israel. After i personally attended Psy Trance's funeral. Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 21:08
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On 2006-10-03 21:05, Pavel wrote:
I'm tired of your whining about my whining about TrippyJohnny's whining about the current state of Psy-Trance
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yeah lets not go there... 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 21:52
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Pythagoraz - admit it! you are afraid to lose a possible fan? haha...
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 22:19
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were not all gonna get along here..
how does a place thats specifically for posting ones opinion about something remain peaceful?
if you can't see that and aren't happy with it, get rid of your isratrance account and stop complaining |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 22:47
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On 2006-10-03 22:19, qane wrote:
were not all gonna get along here..
how does a place thats specifically for posting ones opinion about something remain peaceful?
if you can't see that and aren't happy with it, get rid of your isratrance account and stop complaining
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what does "getting along" have to do with anything?
anyway... nevermind... this thread wasn't intended as what is has become. I must be bad at explaining/writing or something.
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 22:49
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NoxLupi
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 22:59
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This thread is a perfekt example of this topic!
Just look at you selfes.. its all about attacking the writer and NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!! its sick.. and its a waste of time and energy. Pyth Bail out and let people shit in your thread as they do best!
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