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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 00:58
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On 2013-08-23 10:35, Taisto wrote:
I think Apple is for babies who just dont want to go under the hood.
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Really you douche? I just spent 4 hours 'under the hood" of my MacBook Pro 15" with a soldering iron tweaking the bejesus out of it so its now extremely stable and has 12GB RAM, a much faster CPU and a solid state hard disk.
I use it purely for storing my music collection and making music. Nothing else & it's now a dream.
Every PC I owned prior to Mac either laptop or desktop was a hunk of crap, even ones I built from scratch (and I know how to do it, I studied and worked in IT:networking for 5+ years).
I really do take back my OP as Apple have been wonderful customer service wise. Just this Friday my 15 month old son accidentally cracked the screen of my wife's iPad mini. Took it to Apple & even though its far out of warranty they replaced it free of charge with a new boxed one
Name me a single PC company that's do that??
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Taisto
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 10:51
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Yeah it was not anything serious, just sticking the ice and trying to brake the image of eaten apple, when you can do the same half price if you are smart..
Laptops i understand very well to choose of apple if they are more stable and safe to work in live.
I'm also big time pc games fan, because of the quality of graphics, that can be influenced too my choice of the host.
But still apple is more difficult to repair/rebuild yourself than pc:s which are a little bit more customer friendly..
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 27, 2013 22:59
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If you built a PC from scratch and it didn't run well...
well, that means you didn't know what you were doing.
Built a PC last year, it is blazing fast and has absolutely no problems. Also, I am not a genius - its pretty freakin easy to go to pcpartpicker.com, read some reviews, assemble a system and then put it together.
All for less than half the price of a comparable mac.
I do agree that apple's customer service is at times very good and much better than the others. My friend used my ipad2 a month after I bought it and she dropped it, screen was completely shattered.
They replaced it for free, even though there was no replacement policy.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 27, 2013 23:26
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On 2013-08-26 00:58, OzMike wrote:
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On 2013-08-23 10:35, Taisto wrote:
I think Apple is for babies who just dont want to go under the hood.
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Really you douche? I just spent 4 hours 'under the hood" of my MacBook Pro 15" with a soldering iron tweaking the bejesus out of it so its now extremely stable and has 12GB RAM, a much faster CPU and a solid state hard disk.
I use it purely for storing my music collection and making music. Nothing else & it's now a dream.
Every PC I owned prior to Mac either laptop or desktop was a hunk of crap, even ones I built from scratch (and I know how to do it, I studied and worked in IT:networking for 5+ years).
I really do take back my OP as Apple have been wonderful customer service wise. Just this Friday my 15 month old son accidentally cracked the screen of my wife's iPad mini. Took it to Apple & even though its far out of warranty they replaced it free of charge with a new boxed one
Name me a single PC company that's do that??
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damn right!
Only one PC wasn't self bulid by me, but that was not any difference with unstabillity. No need for any anti virus software on Mac is also something I really like and what is a daily procedure in the PC world if you want to surf free whereever you want in the net. The only fact I truely dislike about Apple is their policy of trying to suck as much cash as possible (and are too expensive) from their consuments and that they include own formats like own hdmi ports with audio only through apple format etc or that they don't want to share logic with pc owners. That sucks a bit. But no - exactly the opposite - Mac's are for grown ups or for serious work, because they are reliable and stable.
As for music IMO both are important and only when having both you can have all, when leaving that PC stability issue or the fact that it's better to have a pc for music only - without an internet connection.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 27, 2013 23:40
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Are you guys running windows Vista or something?
Win 7x64 has not crashed on me ONCE. EVER!
Unstable my ass.
The only 'problem' windows PCs have in regards to music production is that they will often need tweaking in regards to certain components. In my experience all windows laptops need to have their Wi-Fi cards turned completely off in order to not get clicks/dropouts, either that or set up their own ad-hoc network so they're not constantly scanning other networks.
Also, neither my laptop nor my desktop have anti-virus on them. Haven't had an issue with a 'virus' in over 10 years. I will occasionally run Spybot but it hardly ever finds anything.
Myths and lies.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 06:10
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Vista was well known for it bugs and open gates, as well as all other versions by Windows.
Every big media have reported it quite often on this planet. Atleast for all those that didn't really know why their computers become slower and slower. Official test have proven that just an open connection for one single minute in the net makes a PC slower.
10 years without anti virus software.. and all those known bugs and open gates by windows throughout the years were myths and lies..
Very convincing.
I have Windows xp without internet connection just for music production. I know the new Windows and use it often, although not at my home. Personaly I don't like it, looks like a tabloid copy and don't know how stable it finally is, or lets say if it is as Mac - dead stable - but hard to believe it is now absolutely safe - time will tell the official truths as so often in the PC world. And never met somebody that doesn't use anti virus software on windows.
Maybe it has changed a bit - like so often time will tell better - but hard to believe that it is now safe. And I don't believe it because all the years the claimed that it is safe and short after it was announced that there are open gates and that the system is a paradise for hacks. Tehis was ever the weakest point of this system.
You really do not need to run anything on Mac after years of heavy using to clean it. No spybot and such - never - time waste. You can analyze it after years and you will get a big suprise how stable the system really is. You will never find a virus or trojans. You will also never find a single serious company in germany running their stuff on PC's.
I know studios running with PC with just Cubase as recording system, but dead certain without an internet connection.
After I read this comment above where Mike has answered I felt to write also something, cause I remember that sick sentencne the other way , when during my study a lecturer or the guy that is responsible to correct all the finaly works in europe said now you have a mac a computer for grown ups.
However, no need to be rude and it is cool to stay by common facts. It is not that beautyful, sweet and wonderful how the PC's were made and their image throughout the last decades - this is not a lie it is common knowledge.
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 07:20
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On 2013-08-27 22:59, willsanquil wrote:
If you built a PC from scratch and it didn't run well...
well, that means you didn't know what you were doing.
Built a PC last year, it is blazing fast and has absolutely no problems. Also, I am not a genius - its pretty freakin easy to go to pcpartpicker.com, read some reviews, assemble a system and then put it together.
All for less than half the price of a comparable mac.
I do agree that apple's customer service is at times very good and much better than the others. My friend used my ipad2 a month after I bought it and she dropped it, screen was completely shattered.
They replaced it for free, even though there was no replacement policy.
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I have a diploma in IT and worked building computers for 5 years my friend, I know the ins and outs of many PCs and that is why truly even when I'm angry at Apple I would never switch back.
When I move to my house and get a desktop Mac I can guarantee that it will be at least a decade before I need anything new or to clean it up.
A PC? 3-4 year life span tops IMO.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 07:39
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Your diploma must not be worth dick.
Upstairs running at this very moment is a PC I built 8 years ago with medium grade parts. It has survived years of college, moving across the country, and is currently being assaulted daily by 4 children.
Works great.
You're full of shit.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 11:48
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I had a PC for about 8 years, running Logic, v5.5 was there for over 4 years, it run a lot more stable than Logic 7/8/9 on my MacPro Quad that I have for 7 years. And my Logic version on the Mac are legit.
My i7 MacBook Pro was the last Apple product I bought. Selling my Quad MacPro to fund an 8 core PC running Hackintosh and have spare cash for a new studio soundcard.
Its the OS that I care about as I need to run Logic. I could not care less if the computer running it has the Apple logo on it, or not.
I am working with a mate that has Logic 9 running perfectly on his PC. All the Logic projects from my studio, run on his PC with no hick ups.
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 12:34
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it s a legend you can t go unde the rhoood on osx..it can be very deep but it need knowledge..that most of us dont have..windows is way easier if you wanna go deep ,on osx it s not really needed, if you wanna make music you can just plug the gear and go
about the customer service you can get your macbook repaired or exanged almost everywhere on the planet if you have trouble, support is very good from my experience and what i have seen with friends
price is expensive..but if it was at the same price as a pc laptop i think no one would buy pc as i find the built and pleasure of using way higher on mac tbh , and not talking about osx but just the hardware of the macbook is great..from the pad to the feel of the keyboard to the size,the screen ect.. all this is secondary though.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 13:07
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btw have a pc that i built years ago that didn t give me any trouble .. and later this years i will make a hackintosh.. but laptop i keep the macbook |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 13:58
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Yeah laptop I will keep the i7 MacBook Pro as well. Logic sees 8 threads on it as well. Very fast, can take stupid amounts of plugs running in real time.
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Taisto
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 14:36
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I have MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit ( iuse mostly 32-bit plugins though).
Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00Hz, 8GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5700 series, so it is already out from todays high standards, means computer is quite old but it has the newest Windows.. With some antivirus protection and ccleaner do fine.
Laptop is very old Acer, i think almost ten years old and still running, sometimes with Ubuntu and sometimes windows. Only the battery is 60% dead, so it need to be plugged in all the time.
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 28, 2013 15:31
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Posted : Sep 2, 2013 12:44
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On 2013-08-26 00:58, OzMike wrote:
I just spent 4 hours 'under the hood" of my MacBook Pro 15" with a soldering iron tweaking the bejesus out of it so its now extremely stable and has 12GB RAM, a much faster CPU and a solid state hard disk.
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Haha yeah why the hell did they remember to start soldering these components to the motherboard?? It just makes upgrading impossible for the consumer (you want a little bit more ram? Buy a new mac!)
Apple used to be very benevolent for musicians, but I feel that they ditched them: just about when on their laptop series started only having 2 USB's and now no firewire - ohh wait, we now have the super duper amazing thunderbolt, that you have to pay more MONEY to get compatible equipment or adapters for "old" equipment.
Apple used to be able to satisfy their market niche, the 10% of computer users who wanted a bit more, but now their are just chasing after the regular consumer, and their are loosing their niche because of that (nonwithstanding their quota is increasing).
But as already said, a good production computer will depend on its hardware and software configuration, as not only is a computer as fast as it's slowest component, but is also constrained by how these components interact.
For this I recommend Rain Recording computers: these guys aren't magicians or wizards, but they do have the resources to test and configure each system with different hardware, so they are always looking for the best configuration. The plus side is they evaluate the "best" from the digital musicians point of view, so they try to max out multiple DAWs and plugins and stuff with audio related tasks (lets see of any non-music PC store will benchmark their PC's with cubase), and thats what you really want: the best system for making audio, not playing the latest game hype or doing a ton of photobombing. The rain computers might be a little pricy, but man you get the system already configured to a totally flat stable 10us DPC latency.
So, IMHO, Apple for music is not nothing more than a myth. Is used to be great, there used to be a lot of attention on performance and stability, but now some of their focus is somewhere else. And as it still might have some good value, particularly when someone who knows actually knows tunes it up, most artists (especially DJ's) just own a Mac because "hey it's what all the artists and DJ's use, it has to be good, right?".
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