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piXan
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 02:08
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i want to believe it's possible...and that America will be the last secret underound refuge after the rest of the globe has been tranced-out and spoiled...
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are u serious man??? hahaahaja give a break, whats that supposed to mean??? u really believe that crap.. sounds like what the rambo of trance will say . hhahahaha. and sosets attitude really sucks... and by the way this iis a psy trance forum.. not just trance forum. nothing can stay the same and if u don like hows turning out , change it do something, if u dont like dark fullon music , go an do something better , some perople who think like u might appreciate it, others dont, so what, we arent doing this for recognition , or are we???
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 18:23
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I have to agree with Pixan... the underground is within all of us all over the world |
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Woggle
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 21:09
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the underground is within us? what the hell does that mean?:P
I think the main problem with any scene now is the music. I simply do NOT like the music when going out to parties anymore. I wish i could go to a finnish trance party in ny, but i can't. and it fucking sucks. It seems like most ny trancers, and ne trancers have bad taste in psy... a lot are just newer, and grew up on the darker psy, that's what got em into it.
me personally i got into it for the vibrant sound, the beautifal sound. And i'm really upset there seems to be NO place i can hear that anymore. If i was in israel i'd be happy,becuase i know shit like that goes on, finnish parties that is... and of course finland...
the finnish stuff is the only modern stuff i can really dig, it's more akin to the older vib.e..
i guess the finnish got off ttopic tho loll...
basically i think new psy is just techno. I get the same vibe going to a psy event now as if i go to hear techno...repeating sounds over and over and over again. not the evolving music from older goa:-/
but it's not even just "old vs new" i think it's also that a lot of djs in ny area play the good stuff.
i find america's dj culture to be much more oriented towards trying to be the top. i think it's the larger hip hop influence, where they want to make the set more about their skills then the tracks. but i could be talking out of my ass about this.
There's just a lot of amazing psy coming out nowadays, and it's unfortunate i never seem to hear it at a party. all i hear is lame ass shit.
Also i don't think any of this is about the party itself, i think the parties are always the same old shit, for a while, it's the music that really really changes the atmosphere, me personally that's all i go for. And i simply can't go for that anymore, becuase whenever i'm out i'm so bored shitless by the music:-/
I also think tho people are doin the "grass is greener on the other sidE" thing, ev ery scene has it's problems, no?
maybe you grew out of the scene, and just don't like it anymore? maybe i have too, but have too much love invested into the music and don't wanna let go:-/
oh yea, on the music aspect, i think a problem is a lot of djs play burnt cds imho, burnt of mp3s, becuase it's really the only way to get different psy in america nowadays with stores closing left and right, and shipping isn't the cheapest internationally, and becuase of this mp3s don't really sound that good on speakers....
I think it's just a sad rainy day out and i'm being grumpy tho, so i'll fuck off now:-p
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 21:27
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Woggle Pondered:
the underground is within us? what the hell does that mean?:P
Well underground means innovation. Innovation which has not been mass distributed and commercialized. It is the expression straight from an artists into the form of trance. It is within the artists to express and within the dancer to receive. Whithin the artists to decorate... It is not within business structures and bureaucratic thinking that some think this should be encompassed.
I went to an underground party in SF, where artists, deco, community, all was accessible, all communicating, all creating, all innovating, organically inteacting to bring new shapes and forms to the trance dance experience. In that moment something new was created.
So, the underground is within all of us all over the world.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 21:47
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- I think the main problem with any scene now is the music. I simply do NOT like the music when going out to parties anymore. I wish i could go to a finnish trance party in ny, but i can't. and it fucking sucks.
IMHO it sounds you have the problem since you DO NOT like the music.
It seems like most ny trancers, and ne trancers have bad taste in psy... a lot are just newer, and grew up on the darker psy, that's what got em into it.
- I disagree with this inference and generalization. I have heard NY trancers with a keen ear. It might not be my taste, but that does not mean in any way their taste is bad.
me personally i got into it for the vibrant sound, the beautifal sound. And i'm really upset there seems to be NO place i can hear that anymore. If i was in israel i'd be happy,becuase i know shit like that goes on, finnish parties that is... and of course finland...
- It remains YOUR problem. Put your mind and resolve it. Also the discussion was a bout community building. The music itself does not accomplish that.
the finnish stuff is the only modern stuff i can really dig, it's more akin to the older vib.e..
- Good for you, I personally like tons of music from the present time. I just can't listen to the "old stuff" anymore. I personally played the hell out of it, bought it all and it is fun to remember once in a while, but the time when things are happening in a big way is now.
i guess the finnish got off ttopic tho loll...
basically i think new psy is just techno. I get the same vibe going to a psy event now as if i go to hear techno...repeating sounds over and over and over again. not the evolving music from older goa:-/
- I disagree. I played techno/acid techno for three years. I know techno when I hear it. Now that most psy trance is conditioned to have an archetypical structure, and that it has evolved to be more loop oriented... maybe, but there still music which in originality, conceptualization keeps on pushing the frontiers of innovation and composition. And that is a fact.
but it's not even just "old vs new" i think it's also that a lot of djs in ny area play the good stuff.
i find america's dj culture to be much more oriented towards trying to be the top. i think it's the larger hip hop influence, where they want to make the set more about their skills then the tracks. but i could be talking out of my ass about this.
- Maybe 
There's just a lot of amazing psy coming out nowadays, and it's unfortunate i never seem to hear it at a party. all i hear is lame ass shit.
- Time to make a party. All I hear is complain and no action. Like Israelies say you are just a blah blah.
Also i don't think any of this is about the party itself, i think the parties are always the same old shit, for a while, it's the music that really really changes the atmosphere, me personally that's all i go for. And i simply can't go for that anymore, becuase whenever i'm out i'm so bored shitless by the music:-/
- Read above
I also think tho people are doin the "grass is greener on the other sidE" thing, ev ery scene has it's problems, no?
- I trully hate this type of comformism. If there are problems I make an effort to fix them. If I see something wrong, I work to correct it. I do not hear the music I want, I make a party. I do not like the community, I build my own.
maybe you grew out of the scene, and just don't like it anymore? maybe i have too, but have too much love invested into the music and don't wanna let go:-/
- Time to project your vision!
oh yea, on the music aspect, i think a problem is a lot of djs play burnt cds imho, burnt of mp3s, becuase it's really the only way to get different psy in america nowadays with stores closing left and right, and shipping isn't the cheapest internationally, and becuase of this mp3s don't really sound that good on speakers....
I think it's just a sad rainy day out and i'm being grumpy tho, so i'll fuck off now:-p |
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Woggle
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 22:28
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imho the music DOES build the community.
I also think the talk about underground being innovative is bs. come on noiw.
underground is used to freely now. btw, who really gives a fuck if it's undergroudn. I don't.
one of my favorite albums ever is dark side of the moon, and is it underground? hell no? what is it 1 out of 5 people in england own a copy. something crazy like that. that's not underground, but still AMAZING music. And also Terribly innovative.
i'm sorry if i think reaktor bpf sounds over a VB1 bassline, with a soundforge kick, and a synced breakbeat is not very good... ...I'll stick to that.
I didn't say i didn't like present day music, I jsut don't think there's much fo the good shit coming over here. at least i haven't heard any. It's also amazing how little artists have heard about it over her.
also what is israelis saying ". Like Israelies say you are just a blah blah.
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whose the one talkin bout generalizations now?:p
a few friends of mine coming over from israeli who checkced out some parties here in ny, did agree, it's bla bla, but they also say it's blah blah in israel too. not all israelis like skazi! what a revelation!:p
btw, it's a lot harder to do a party, than just say " go do it...it takes multiple people to throw a party, and it also takes a bit of sceniness. get the word out there, etc. I just don't like dealing with that whole drama, and ther'es just so much drama within that. That i just try not to.
I have talked to many people who feel the exact same way as I do, and it's not just in america, this attitude is all over the world, australia, israel, scandinavia, england.
I think it also had to deal with technology as a huge factor of what synthesizer sare being used. But that's a whole nother story, and would take somonme very ttechnically knowledgable in both soft synths and analog synthesizers to discuss this...
I just see the newer music as disposable trash.
and i don't give a fuck if something's commercial or underground. I just want to hear good music. |
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mono mono
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 22:35
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Hey Woggle! Have you been to the Gaian Mind summer festival? Same with the OmniDance festival.
I think they offer a nice variety of styles, with less bullshit.
If you don't go to the indoor parties, you might as well "save up" for the good outdoors. That's what i've been doing of late.
Goa Gil's going to be in Asheville NC this spring.
check it out.
-dz
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 23:27
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Mr Woggle
If you are so desperate to hear good music and you have it or know about it, but none plays it in your area... Make the party. That is my only point. Just do it and stop the blah blah.
And BTW Music is a result of the community. Ppl create and build the community.
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Woggle
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 07:00
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it's not as easy as "just throw a party"
first get generators, get speakers, capital to pay for them.
then get enough people to come.
perhaps it might be easy to u bein mr psy cool, but for me it's not so easy.
I'm not an active participant in the scene, i hardly know anybody in it, more then a quick chat here n there.
also not everyone has so much free time on their hands to have the ability to do such things:-) |
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 09:07
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Whose Soset??????????
What the hell did she write????
Where did she write whatever she wrote???
Every one has some lovely points and tips , but i wanna know what that cranky dame said???
~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~ |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 21:14
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Generator 5000w $100 two days (Home Depot tool Rental)
System $150-$200 (3000w) I actuallydid a party last weekend with 1000w and it was enough.
Ppl... well build a community.
I work 50 hours a week
I make time
The feeling of dancing with all my friends after building an event... Priceless
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 21:32
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I dont think that the US scene sucks, but it has or had alot of potential and I can only speak for my self on how I felt at the parties.
What I felt , was being sorrounded by people I knew but at the same time having complete feeling of emptiness a void, asking my self what the hell I was doing there. But still I went to these parties. But things always go through cycles to clean it self it just seems like it has been a long one. |
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furthur
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 15:11
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On 2004-12-24 21:32, leatherstrip wrote:
What I felt , was being sorrounded by people I knew but at the same time having complete feeling of emptiness a void, asking my self what the hell I was doing there. But still I went to these parties. But things always go through cycles to clean it self it just seems like it has been a long one.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people feel that, except that that has nothing to do with the so-called scene. Parties will never fill any void or emptiness that might be there. It is wrong to even look for such things at the physical party and not in yourself. That is what seems to be the problem for a lot people (obviously not excluding myself).
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Woggle
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 19:05
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nut, what about djs, a car to bring the generator+system, gas. the time to find a place where cops won't bust it. and if not, the permit to host it, or the club fees. and then ,what ab out the turntables or cd decks. it's not exactly free.
what i don't get about everyone. they're all saying "the american scene has potential" or "it can go some place" or some bs like that. The ny scene i found was quite nice 7 years ago. I loved it, a lot more than today. It's already been here for a while...
it's a general problem with trance, people always looking to say "it will get better" or wanting to be someplace else. instead of enjoying the now. |
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