Upavas
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 01:38
To me groundbreaking exists still, whenever I hear a track that really goes straight to the heart, dark, progressive, full on or otherwise. When the self is really in there. Something that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside !
Wizzy Noise used to do that to me all the time...
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 10:05
I mention them because as musicians they are experimenting with a new sound for them...you're right it's not psy-trance but you can still hear the "psy" in it, no? I was trying to say that out of all the psy trance artists out there they're the ones who one could conceivably say were breaking new ground as they are at least trying something new and not just churning out the same formulaic stuff everyone else is. It's a shame the results aren't that pleasing.
Martian Arts/Nectarious, don't you think any genre in its early days could be construed as groundbreaking but as soon as it becomes recognised as a genre and a formula is established breaking new ground becomes almost contradictory? From time to time someone'll come along and rewrite a few rules and then subgenres develop which are again groundbreaking very briefly before becoming once again formulaic and derivative if not effective.
"To me groundbreaking exists still, whenever I hear a track that really goes straight to the heart, dark, progressive, full on or otherwise. When the self is really in there. Something that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside ! " Upavas - that's not groundbreaking that's just music having an emotional resonance with you. I've been listening to recordings of American chain gangs singing from the 1940s "that really goes straight to the heart" - it's not breaking new ground even if that's what they were literally doing when they were recorded.
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 11:09
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On 2012-03-24 10:05, randulon wrote:
I mention them because as musicians they are experimenting with a new sound for them...you're right it's not psy-trance but you can still hear the "psy" in it, no?
No. I can hear pop/indie with some 4/4 kick and a sawtooth bassline, yet the music is based on vocals and guitars and general vibe is far away from trance. I am talking about their latest work by the way.
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On 2012-03-24 10:05, randulon wrote:
Martian Arts/Nectarious, don't you think any genre in its early days could be construed as groundbreaking but as soon as it becomes recognised as a genre and a formula is established breaking new ground becomes almost contradictory? From time to time someone'll come along and rewrite a few rules and then subgenres develop which are again groundbreaking very briefly before becoming once again formulaic and derivative if not effective.
There have been albums that broke new ground without having a sub genre. Kox Box's "The Great Unknown" is an example of this. X-Dream's "We Created Our Own Happyness", Tristan's "Audiodrome"... No one said its a new sub genre, people just called it psychedelic trance. Formulas really appeared when labels started tucking them selves into pigeon holes and would not release anything else but a very specific style.
If you look at Dragonfly's, Blue Room's, Flying Rhino's, Atomic Record's releases, the music is varying wildly between releases, yet no sub genre names where used, it was all psychedelic trance.
And imo (and the few people that were around and we talk about music today), them labels where groundbreaking.
Now fast forward a little more over a decade and look at today's top selling/favorite labels and how much releases follow a very specific formula that governs each sub genre.
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 13:54
Yes, there are exceptions to my sweeping statement..."The Great Unknown" was the pinnacle of psy-trance's creativity to me, after that it was all downhill...except for the odd album by Loopus or Haltya...
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Posted : Mar 31, 2012 01:42
Personally, I feel it's all about the shift of audience, there was a time when the earlier works of Astral Projection, Talamasca, Space Cat parties making people go berserk about their music because they liked what they produced, it was the taste of that time, it was the music we used to dance to. Then we moved on with our lives, realized the fact that dancing and having fun was not going to feed us our daily morsel.
Then came another generation of individuals that joined the scene, they liked the more advanced quality of sound that made dark psy sound better, it became the sound to dance and have fun.
Sound technology is changing and newer genres of music are coming up, veteran artists are trying to cope up with this technology change and the shift of audience. Hence, the last Bizarre Contact album that I downloaded managed to only reside in my hard disk for not more than 10 minutes until I Shift+Del it. However, I am sure that album was interesting for a lot of people.
It's just matter of time and taste, though I still keep searching for sets, albums that matches my taste on internet, I have to be honest- I don't quite succeed at it but I am happy listening to the stuff my computer already has.
In trance we trust. Peace & Light I understand change is the only constant but I'd rather stick to variables.
