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How to make that fkkn kick n bass!!!
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 11:53
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When people have good gear, experienced ears and proper room, basslines arent a problem...
you just have to follow your ears, how it sounds, how you want it, and there are no mistakes, it will end up sounding exacly as you expect them...
the comoon mistake about newbies and other people who waste many time shit chating about htz/notes and stuff like that, is that most of them dont fully control or have perception on their production, so they rely too much on tutorials and some pro giving tips, wich they wrongly think its the solution to geting that "Pro-souding" bassline
Pro´s dont have worries with basslines, they can make them fat, groovy, hard, simply by earing the track, and because they have material for that, they know the room end of story
its useless to take a huge number of tips and try to follow especifly certain instructions, when all that is complety subjective, WASTE OF TIME
it would much better for a newbie to strongly focus on the musical structure of the track, and give space to improve bassline latter by going into a studio or taking someone more experienced advice
its also absurd see people recomend certain bpm´s, it completly depends on the dynamics each track its oriented to...
but i know some people do choose higher bpm´s to hide their inability to make lesser bpm tracks groovy enough to danceflooors, so they go on the "easy" increase the pitch...
thats why some bizzare styles like dark "trance" came up, with the most nonsense wave ever, insanity at its worse, from people who actualy cant mix a tune
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vipal
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 12:07
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but truth is not always comfortable... lol
you present some idea, put up a imposed forum-rule that we cannot question it and you feel really sorry for us who wonder wtf this guy is talking abt?
listening to your tunes i have the impression that the rootnote of your bass is not D4 or so while you produce at bpm that would suggest that.
had fun reading, interesting stuff, but what man attitude...
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Mandari
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 12:21
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its not a tutorial, an advice or the room that makes you sound pro. its only knowledge and education. knowing your room beeing one of many needs.
nothing wrong with tutorials.but they should focus on basics. imo a tutorial about bass should be about bass and not how to process it. it just confuses. two huge different topics on their own (just like composition is) beeing basically about synthesis (i.e. bass, i.e. subtractive) and processing (ie. eq,compression, effects etc.). if you know the basics of both, you got all you need to recreate any bass and know why your sound (i.e. bass) needs certain processing. this is an important factor.
like said, there was nothing wrong about those "mother of ..." threads. they´ve been really helpful to me and think they still partly are to others. anyways, so much confusing content which could be saved and would solve so many repeatedly asked questions.
i wont go into this genre discussion. sure theres some truth in it. anyways, theres glance and glory and deep shit in mostly any musical genre.
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 15:41
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There´s nothing wrong in providing tips...
but not all the tips are usefull, the way certain information is giving sometime its bad, because it leads to a wrong perception of how things work
Music is it self subjective, and psytrance is allready way too much bassline oriented, so why more bassline tutorials? they are more than enough allready
bassline making techniques arent the holly grail of electronic music anyway, some Tutorials may be handy, no doubt about it, but teaching others, its about making people understand exacly a process, not simply make them rely on our information like it was a definitive rule (wich isnt...)
instead of making more tutorials about how to make "pro-basslines" it would be more usefull for people who want to learn how to think as a producer...
Because thats actualy what marks the difference, a producer doesnt simply make tracks from its instant creativity, even if he have a great visual/ear memory, a good producer do research, plans in how to make certain sound, collects ideas and reformulate thouse ideas into new stuff... thats what is most amazing about making electronic music
and i dont see any tutorials to lead people into it...
its obvious that not all the humans are similary gifted, some have better memory and creativity, others dont, but a good organized producer with a proper mind set, can outrun
a more talented one that becomes stuck on its lack of organization...
and it should definitly be tutorials in how to teach people to organize, how to lead them to THINK AS A PRODUCER, ratter than throw htz numbers and mixing sugestions that beside being subjective, dont lead to anywhere...
the best advice i could give to people is, dont rush things, experiement/concept, colect and if there are doubts, lake of ideas, do research, if you dont have answers or solutions, find them, but bassline tutorials dont help anyone to be sucessfull...
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Mandari
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 16:10
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"the best advice i could give to people is, dont rush things, experiement/concept, colect and if there are doubts, lake of ideas, do research, if you dont have answers or solutions, find them, but bassline tutorials dont help anyone to be sucessfull... "
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Oct 23, 2013 16:35
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Bummer.
When this topic showed up, I thought this would naturaly evolve towards something fun like comparing this frequency we get from calculating the divisions within a minute and then second (hertz) to brain wave cycles and their impact on us.
I don't like genre talk either. That's the most subjective thing of all! And I mean S U B J E C T I VE!!! As in, related to the indivudual's own opinion with nothing else to back it up. Music is not genre, it's language!
And if we go down the rabit hole here, even if this is just basic stuff to some, it might help others. So, let's go for it! If you want, start the other thread! |
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wirakocha
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Posted : Oct 24, 2013 02:41
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Mandari
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:21
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Mandari
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Posted : Nov 30, 2013 15:39
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On 2013-10-23 12:07, vipal wrote:
listening to your tunes i have the impression that the rootnote of your bass is not D4 or so while you produce at bpm that would suggest that.
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i apologize for percept attitude, well, its based on years of reading the same question asked over and over again on a daily basis here. sorry again for that.
now, the stuff you mention suggest a root of d# in fourth octave with a slight offset of mentioned 25 cents. i dont get why the calculator comes to such conclusion, it anyways is kinda right. except the related hz beeing surely not in the fourth octave, as 60bpm relates to a one hz cycle.
maybe i should explain the math behind. you got bpms there, which is cycles per minute. one minute got 60 seconds. so for bpm to hz (cycles per second) you just need to divide 1 (minute) by 60 (seconds) and multiply that by the bpm of your track and you got the frequency (hz). octavated to fourth octave (which sure is unnecessary at that point) the frequency anyways relates to the same note for sure... d#
i anyways chose my root to be your mentioned d. so yeah, it in fact is d. dont ask me about the sense of it, this topic was just to give an idea of how to get started about things. no rule, just some simple math and thought.
just an idea. if your track is at that mentioned 148 bpm and you know its root beeing that d#. theres no harm choosing any root, anyways it might be beneficial choosing i.e. the according 5th or dominant. its just a point to get started, in no way i said anything to be taken as kinda standard or rule. well, maybe its just my humble opinion, but careful tuning makes a difference. and im far from beeing anything like pro on that term, just learning things like you guys. so never mind if you dont find any musical sense in my music ^^ just on my way like all of us...
cheers 
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 30, 2013 17:08
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yes, we're all on a journey that leads to somewhere. and if we put enough effort and time to it, we will continue to evolve, each at it's own pace - not faster or slower.
but the thing is: it's kind of natural for newcomers to feel dazzled with so much information they recon they don't understand, as well as it's natural for them to seek advice to point them in the right direction where it's possible to do so.
this is one of such places and many people here have gained immensely from it. if you feel confident about your skills and know how, it's time you jump to the receiving end of it and answer more then you make questions, at least when you feel you can really provide useful information. of course, to some extent at least, it's all subjective. and also true there's no recipes for instant success. to some degree it's entirely true some of your claims: that most information is readily available for those willing to learn. some years ago you wouldn't find hundreds of online guides and videos like you do today. also very true that one can only produce good music with a good grasp on the tools and procedures that can only come from experience.
so, what do I think about it? I think the first part can be useful to people starting out since it provides some good information about the basics that easily gets overlooked. the rest of it just feels a bit bitter and even makes me wonder what kind of impulse is driving such claims?! I mean, why on earth would the new comers with their same old questions bother anyone unless you've got this setup with a RSS feed with notifications flooding your screen every time someone says something...
Just roll a joint, relax and contribute your part to enlightening the young eager minds of those goamaniac wanabes and it's all fine! 
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daark
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Posted : Dec 1, 2013 17:22
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I don't agree you don't need to tune it to bpm ... i tried long ago. You don't need to tune it to any number. You tune it to your heart. Tune it to the soul please  Tune it to sound good... start tweaking synth start tweaking it imho i tried long long ago to try it out the math stuff so the wave fits exactly to one beat so it fits exactly and decided that its pointles... You need those numbers for acoustics more then for music production or for LFO but you have sync already .
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 1, 2013 17:26
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On 2013-12-01 17:22, daark wrote:
I don't agree you don't need to tune it to bpm ... i tried long ago. You don't need to tune it to any number. You tune it to your heart. Tune it to the soul please Tune it to sound good... start tweaking synth start tweaking it imho i tried long long ago to try it out the math stuff so the wave fits exactly to one beat so it fits exactly and decided that its pointles... You need those numbers for acoustics more then for music production or for LFO but you have sync already .
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best use I can think of is reverbs and delays, actually. if you want to know where the grid falls, can be quite useful.
agree about the "tune to your heart" thing, but knowing this information doesn't hurt either.
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 2, 2013 10:38
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On 2013-12-01 17:22, daark wrote:
I don't agree you don't need to tune it to bpm ...
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theres no need to agree, no one said to do so .... makes me sad ppl seem even not be willed to read. theres no need for tuning at all, i just said it makes a difference, how ever you will tune. well, im out, seems no one gets the point. okaydokays, fine with that, but force me to repeat myself again and again makes me wanna facepalm.....
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