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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 12:57
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Hi there
In the last time I sometimes was involved in some short discussions about the "sense" of a song...
So I decided to post an interpretation of a song here.
Some maybe already heard it, it has been posted here by shaboim, its a song that I made.
The "Factsong"
It came out of a report in a swiss newspaper called "facts".
The newspaper wrote about the psytrance scene in a vary bad manor. All bad sides have been showed, but nothing positve... After this report several parties that already had permissions have been cancelled, because the people believed all that the report said.
Also a party where I was booked to play live.
I was really angry, but also I understood why the report was so bad. Beside all crap, It talked about drugabuse, loud noise disturbing wildlife, trash in the nature...
Actually there are people in the scene who don't know how to use drugs and do not respect the nature.. and the part of it becomes bigger, at least in switzerland...
So I decided to write a song about that.
The song not only critisizes the people in switzerland, but also the psytrancescene worldwide.
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I start the song with a matrixsample, I know samples from the matrix are overused, thats exactly the reason why I use it.
I want to show that there is so much overused in the scene and our music.
But this time the sampe really makes sense.
"Afraid of change", not only the people in switzerland, but also the scene and the music
They are, in my opinion, not really developing, everybody just coping some "big names", not being individual, and the listeners only buying what they know, not trying something different. Giving new currents no chance.
So the song starts with some well produced, fat, elements... but actually I made it EXTRA-STUPID, to show how stupid I find some tracks in the scene, just without real ideas, and even the bad ideas copied over and over.
Some fatbass, funny samples and noises, convincing changes, and the typical beat with the clap on 2 and 4 who is often called "groovy".
So the music runs a bit, in my opinion very boring, and then there is a voice...
its swissgerman, may sound very funny to the world.. it says:
"turn of the music! turn it off!!" and so on till the music really turns off...
This is something that happens really often in switzerland during a party... I think everybody knows this feeling when suddenly the music is turned off...
The voice goes on:
"Show me you permission! Show it immediatly!
Is this a so called goa-party?
I've read in the newspaper about you! you are all criminals! It can't go on like this!"
It's ironic, of course.. the music goes on..
It shows how my reaction was. I was angry but on the same time, kind of did as if I wouldn't care and went on without caring...
The short passage with blank beat I left because I want to show that beats can be more different.. even I can do that (I'm really not interested a lot in complicated beats)..
It goes on in this mood.. becoming more intense...
But then... unevitable... the sadness comes up... I can not lie to myself... actually this all makes me sad... but why this..
After the change at 5.17 the stupid sound from the first part comes back... reminding me that also the scene has to learn, that there is a reason why this happened to the scene...
this rather agressiv, uncreative sound symbolises how a lot of music sounds to me and how I see a big part of the scene..
without feeling, not creative, agressive, always the same, without individuality, a typical sound, completely overused...
Not "psycedelic" but "Technoidic".. same as a lot of people stopped using mindexpanding drugs.. actually exchaned it to powergiving drugs.. because there doesn't seem to be enough REAL power, energy in the music..
(I believe real energy only comes if the music has all the components earth, spirit, feelings... beats, sounds, melodies.)
Honestly if today psytrance was so powerful, why would much more people use speed and cocain today??
Anyway.. 5.30min
Then the feeling comes back in... my sadness about it and a new melodic, rhythmic combination of three different sounds.. symbolising creativity, fading in from 5.38 till 5.58...
the following part with a lot of "communicating sounds" symbolises my mood, creativity, and that I think that we should more "talk with eachother" also in our music.. not always talking about unimportant things or weird philosophy, but about us, expressing how WE FEEL...
After 6.52 it goes further, saying "yes I'm sad and frustrated, but live goes on"...
Start for the finalpart.. the solution? I don't know how to say... somehow it is the part that shows how beautyfull psytrance can be if we express our feelings.. it's still a kind of sadness...
but for me it's not only my sadness, but more the psytrance himself that is crying.. telling "if we all stick together, and we show how beautyful we are, and that we can respect the nature and everything, than we can do it"
After 8.33 the last time to enjoy this beatuy.... and after 9.05... back to where we actually are... boring... without feeling....
Making the tragedy of this song....
But the last note of the song.. reminding.. "hey don't forget the feelings"
END
I can understand if a lot of people don't share my opinion about the music and the scene. This is not the place for such a discussion.
It's my opinion, I expressed it in a song.
If you have a different opinion: Express it in a song and post it here 
I just wanted to show, how much sense this song has for me... And to post a new song in the "new tracks" forum.. which maybe is called one day "new songs" forum....
I'm afraid, that I maybe don't understand a lot of todays psytrance, and therefore don't find any sense...
I would really like if everybody who postes his songs here also writes how he sees his song.. to make it easier to understand it.
Get it here:
http://webcounter.goweb.de/83157LINK-8&http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/audio/subconsciousmind-factsong_160kbps.mp3
if you want it in 320kbps go to http://www.subconsciousmind.ch
Best wishes
Raphi - subconsciousmind
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Mind Manipulation
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 19:36
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Hi Raphi
Very nice insight into your music.
I dont really think that many people think about things as much as you do... Personally, i tend not to think too much... as thinking about something for too long kind of makes things seem more important than they are in reallity.....
When i make a tune, i have no idea what is going in and i have even less notion of what is gonna come out.... Lets say that i do it instinctivly... by following the purest of my real fellings at the specific moment of the "song", in conjunction with the technical knowledge i have....nothing more, nothing less... if crap comes out, it means that i was probably thinking too much and not letting my feelings come through properly..... I leave the feelings in the song, and if someone feels the same thing i did, good. if not, i guess they can just jump to the next song... untill they hear what they are feeling...
It is all about the feeling you put into the music, in the end, the finished song will be a snapshot of your frame of mind during the time you were creating....... in sum, I make music for myself. By giving the music to others, i am actually giving a part of myself..... for those who know who i am, it probably makes sense.... but for those that dont know me personally, it might not... just like you said about your fact song. I listened to it and the only conclusion i can find is exactly your frustration towards what the psy scene has given you along the years, indeed your sadness shows itself in your fact song.
However, I understand your point of view....but, we are individuals and as such, we must let each others express ourselves, as we see fit..... there is no point in saying that many artists are copying each other.... it's their problem.... no-one elses.... if the scene suffers from all the copies, it is because the sharing of knowledge is welcome.....(ironic, isnt it?) When i use a technique or when i find a sound on my synths that another artist has used before, i can tell myself that I am one step closer to my goals...the "other" artist just might know a little bit more than I do... Yes, i look up to people and whoever crosses my path must be there for a reason...
Now, should this post be in this section?
Humm, i dont think so, i think it should be in the "personal rantings" forum.
Raphi, you have the knowledge, why dont u use all of it?
Big greetz to you and please stop thinking too much.... and put a big Smile on your face 
Kenneth
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ND
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 21:44
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nice one mate
i loved the concept!
and very nice thign going on there, each part u described sound not so bad as u wanted to show it is in all the tunes
final verdict: interesting stuff, and very chilling groovy tune (for me at least)
keep on going
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Maxim Kai.
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 21:53
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2 subconsciousmind: i understand u bro, i really do, because i do meet the same situation with parties and moreover with mass media in my country and in my city. I didn't listen to your track yet, but i sure will do and give u my feedback.
and 2 Mind Manipulation: u say that when u make a track you "have no idea what is going in and i have even less notion of what is gonna come out.... Lets say that i do it instinctivly... by following the purest of my real fellings at the specific moment of the "song", in conjunction with the technical knowledge i have...."
that's it but owr friend subconsciousmind did the same with the AIM. His song is a manifesto, a reply to people who do not know about culture of psytrance and give their false opinion in massmedia and stuff. He suffers of it, he goes through his feealings about what is valueable for him. I mean he loves psytrance culture and feels keenly about it. And that's why he is making his music, he made this song. Its the same part of his feelings and his skill as your tracks are part of you.
And you say: "Hey, man, forget it, just don't think about it 'coz it can ocuure too real".
This is the week point of view - IMHO.
We shall at least support each other if we go with GTC. If we go with PLUR. And if we wanna see future with trance as people-uniting music, not as drug-using.
That's my word.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 23:23
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Hi there...
Maxim Kai, thank you, I really feel understood
Kenneth, I absolutly agree with the way you make your music. You were on my website, you know I think the same.
I don't think while making my music!! Do you think a song like the factsong could be done with thinking?? Its a pure Feelingssong!
The thinking is just helping me a bit to arrange the parts and all the big thinking comes when the song is finished... Like a self analizing. Afterwards.
About the copying. I also look up to people. But I don't imitate them. I just want to be as good as they are.
ART real Art, A real artwork has to be unique, because each individual is unique. Coping a sound one or two times, ok no prob, but coping a whole song structure, melodies, using the sounds 1000 times.. no thats not art anymore...
In my opinion in Psytrance so many people don't find their own uniqness, or some just want to be "stars" and think that being like another star is the fastest way to do it.
After all one day everybody finds out that infected mushroom is only where they are today because they are UNIQUE... some people think they can go where they are if they sound like they do... no chance..
And kenneth, I use all of my knowlege a lot, mister!
Why do you say this?... can you do it better?
Sorry for being so rude, but this sentence of you just wasn't ok, and maybe pointed to the wrong person or direction.
Is it maybe you who doesn't use all of his knowlege?
Kenneth, Actually we totally agree with each other, what is the problem?... did I hit a sore point inside of you? If so, I'm really sorry.
Maybe you don't think because you don't like what you find out...? ;-)
I sometimes do that.. maybe you also...
All the best
Raphi
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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 19:34
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Oh my, what a turn this post has had....oopps...
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And kenneth, I use all of my knowlege a lot, mister!
Why do you say this?... can you do it better?
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When i use a technique or when i find a sound on my synths that another artist has used before, i can tell myself that I am one step closer to my goals...the "other" artist just might know a little bit more than I do... Yes, i look up to people and whoever crosses my path must be there for a reason...
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Its like putting jimmy hendrix and skazi in the same room with a fender stratocaster..... same instrument... in theory, the same sound... however each play it in the way they feel is the best.
The uniqeness of trance may show through something like this.... same instruments.,... virus, nord, reason... etc... its the way you play it that makes it unique....
Raphi, I belive you could do so much better if you stopped worrying about the scene so much, concentrate on your music, thats all i want to say
you can do much better than the too long fact song.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 21:32
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you can do much better than the too long fact song.
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Thats not the way to say something like this.
In my opinion it's you who could do much better if you expressed your emotion and not only your coolness... I think you should worry more about the sense..
And: I don't think I can do better...
I'm actually 100% happy with my track, its speaking out of my deepest soul. Its expressing myself perfectly... I don't want to make it in any other way, its a finished artwork, a part of myself.
How can a part of myself be to long??
It's as long as it is.
What could be better in this song? Could I faster displace my feelings? Could it be more "full on" hu huuu...
I don't care about the typical psytrance conventions and faishons.. has it to be faster? does it need a 16t step bassline and some typical astrix sounds?
Or does it have to be shorter just because "typical" is 7min and not 10?
So that the DJ don't have to stand around to long?
142Bpm.. doesnt really rock on speed.. I'm sorry...
I said in my first post, that I don't think that everybody has my opinion concerning the actual psytrance scene, and that this is not the place for such a discussion.
It seems that you feel attacked by my song and words since you seem to think to be such a copier yourself... so you expressed here that you don't agree... I would have prefered a song about it, but it's to late now.. we are right in the discussion i didn't want....
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Posted : Sep 5, 2003 12:04
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Oh my....
I need a psychotherapist
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subconsciousmind
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Mind Manipulation
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Posted : Sep 6, 2003 01:23
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HEHEHEHEH
you crazy you!!!
hehehe
Greetsz
Ken
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Posted : Sep 6, 2003 12:54
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Expressed mainly by your unnatural, unbreakable coolness. Also in your music.
For me you try to have the image, also in your music, as if nothing could ever hurt you, nothing break you, nothing make you worry, as if everything is just unimportant to you...
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u should be very careful with prejudging people. isnt prejudging something u critized in todays trance scene?
pointing the finger, very swiss behaviour. Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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raban
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Posted : Sep 30, 2003 11:54
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hey raphi!!
okey anakoluth is right dont point and prejudging too much, and dont care to much about the other statement
im since a long time more in the prog/ housy part of our scene here, but i remember , i alwasy liked your music! once @ a nandan party in beautiful wood, you really hit me deep, with your verrry emotional sound...
and even if i listen your old cd, i can feel what u fell i think - it is a lot, and all verrry nice
i had a listen to the factssong, and i was here with a big smile, i understand you verrrry goood!
you are special, you care about what u do, you care about what u wanna tell others, you have a big sense behind what u do... and im sure you have much feelings & emotions, and you try to explain them!!
about the scene, i can say exactly the same as you, specially, if i go to partys (zh - clubs) & prog. partys, i see so much overuse of drugs....
and i see old friends of mine, i know from psypartys 3-4 years ago, and all are soooo fucked up..... this makes me sad tooo! our scene is going to be worst..... psypeople should really more think if they talk always about spirit, save nature, global family, soory but this is a neverending dream, dreamed by dreamers ( IM A DREAMER TOO, AND I TRY TO LIVE IT) BUT they should think about what they do, and where they wanna go...... or is it really ONLY A DISCO IN TH FOREST (sorry goa-gil, but it's true...)
for me it was like this, so i moved (and because of my aim to groovy sound..) to club scene
it it worst here, but nobody tell me that he makes a spiritual ritual, or healing, or that he see a bigger sense by using drugs every weekend they go to the party, and have much fun, and go home, without any sense.......
at least they dont lie
but i remeber with a warmness in my heart the old party & feelings, and i hope,, i drop my ass once again to a psy party.... long time i wasnt
what i wanted to say, THANK YOU, AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME PPL WHO CARE ABOUT, WHO THINK ABOUT AND WHO DO SOMETHING GOOD. NOT ONLY BUY/TAKE/USE/ WITHOUT BRAIN
dont care too much about others here, you wrote so much (for sure u needed some time etc) and they tell you, dont think about too much....well really not nice
thank you, i understand u verry well
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Feuerhake
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Posted : Oct 9, 2003 11:25
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Hey
nice one, last weekend i was playing at little party in switzerland and after my set(it was an open-air party, and very cold)i went into a little house to warm up. the dj after me played your track and at the first moment a don´t know what happend and i thought the police arrived and will stop the party.
nice one it work´s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stefan
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 11, 2003 15:21
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Wow, amazing sounds all around. I didn't like the message that much, i don't like angry German voices  but the rhythm from the middle and the melodies are awesome.
Very original track i must say, but could be better without the message in the second minute.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 13, 2003 11:10
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On 2003-10-11 15:21, Pavel (microByte) wrote:
....like the message that much, i don't like angry German voices
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Hi...
Thank you..
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It's SWISSgerman, which most of all germans don't understand ;-). The vocal- message should sound agressive since, it could be a policeman saying it. without it, the song wouldn't make sense anymore.
Thank you very much for the rest of the post!
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