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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 12:01
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I must say you have my mind working like a hooker in Vegas really don't know why but I can't stop thinking about all of this......
He made the sequence by "how" he sang it.
so why not try and replace the words with a simple sine wave and then add 13 harmonic tones and arrange them in a way that they unravel down like he did with the syllables. 13/8/5/3/2/1
then add effects to make it sound cooler.
or
just pick one sound and have it trigger at each step 1 time then 2/3/5 and so on or down
I didn't see this earlier or the example about the song. it shows both what you where asking and talking about (i think) and what I tried to explain on the trouble you'd run into (infinity and values) he capped it at 13 or 5 steps. you can try less steps until it makes sense I guess.
I know nothing about time signature (it's Chinese to me) or drums and such, I work by ear so work that one out but the synths you should be able to do something to create the illusion
Very nice example but still can't seem to grasp it very well, in a 32 or 64 bar 4/4 loop how would it work? with a lead maybe? humm i like the phrasing it's going on in my head right now
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 19:08
My wife pointed out to my that my idea of halfing everything was some other math concept
I just thought is was simualar because of looking at the screanshot from left to write and top to bottom the points where changes occure make a slope if graphed. at least that's what I saw looking at the screan shot.
She told me that in half is not a squence but the opposite of coupling or called doubling.
I was trying to do it with a one shot snare just to map it out but i forget the numbers before I can implament
I think that it would have a better end result if the software beening used aloud multi-directional placement of of emminating point
fibonacci sequences by there nature are multi-dimentional so I propose the need for adding location in formula
Am I getting this right
Did you see the episode of house where he's in a mental instute and some kid is rapping the kid can't rhyme and leaves big blanks spots in his preformance ... this is not intentional but need for connetion to others no one sees that and thinks the kid is dumb or crazy and makes fun of him but house starts rapping with him and fills in the blanks and the kids able to express the concept in his preformance"The end IS the beginning as that PHAT lady sings" DreamStream By Timmy Dean Firman
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 19:25
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My wife pointed out to my that my idea of halfing everything was some other math concept
I just thought is was simualar because of looking at the screanshot from left to write and top to bottom the points where changes occure make a slope if graphed. at least that's what I saw looking at the screan shot.
She told me that in half is not a squence but the opposite of coupling or called doubling.
I was trying to do it with a one shot snare just to map it out but i forget the numbers before I can implament
I think that it would have a better end result if the software beening used aloud multi-directional placement of of emminating point
fibonacci sequences by there nature are multi-dimentional so I propose the need for adding location in formula
Am I getting this right
Did you see the episode of house where he's in a mental instute and some kid is rapping the kid can't rhyme and leaves big blanks spots in his preformance ... this is not intentional but need for connetion to others no one sees that and thinks the kid is dumb or crazy and makes fun of him but house starts rapping with him and fills in the blanks and the kids able to express the concept in his preformance
I think the multi-dimensional side you are talking about are the notes, was i thinking of this in terms of note also, but im not a melody expert
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 03:24
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On 2011-11-24 01:26, Chemistry wrote:
maybe try and focus on the end result (sound out the speaker) as a whole to achieve your goal.
at minimal using 3 of these speakers to triagulate though ultimately 81 speakers to make MetaTron Harmonic Grid
what I mean by this is.....
I think I understand what you mean on wanting to apply the Fibonacci sequence to music, the only thing is each sound has it's own mathematical value or length and so placement next to other values (sound) doesn't always follow a set pattern. unless you want everything to sound the same from the same sound source. and that's not very cool or psychedelic!
agreed .. but it can be if used as an interactive holgraphic therimin type environment where I can see the sounds represented by colors and interact with them
and spin the compress and decomress the sound
by interacting with it in different ways kind of like TUIO or Kinnect
wouldn't it (the snare) need to grow from itself into itself? so wouldn't that mean the sound would have to change.
the Fibonacci is something that is "Observed" so you would "Hear" or in the case of music "feel" it in the sounds and song. something you achieve with effects (delays) or placement of a group of sounds into one.
so try and maybe find sounds that fold upon themselves and then add it to a nice groove then unfold and fold the whole package.
I like the idea of replacing the note's with a different sound but then you lose your snare unless maybe it's done with tonal color or some sort of distortion maybe. none the less either your gonna lose your sound or the change will be subtle
Maybe wave of the sound could be fibonacci'ed using this VST
then we could compress and decompress the wave to make kick, snare, hi-hat ect. then produce
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if this whole snare post thing is in the end just about how to time a breakdown or something then just put your track set on loop and move shit around until it sounds right (on time)
It started out this way but has taking on a mind of its own
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reading your post last two days have made me feel like I'm trippin'
Someone Get's it ... That's what I'm try to describe and induce through music
ALL my research stems from trying to explain Trip and recreate of other to experience without actually doing it
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 03:55
I trying to apply same concepts to create a set of bio-feedback head phones that actually target langauge centers binaural function to beable to applify your natural signals and record your thoughts by using the holosonic speakers within the head phones in same 81 speaker grid based on tree of life concept da'at being the microphone to have actual feedback of brainwaves
here's part of where the thought comes from
Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:03 p.m.
During my strongest LSD type flashback episodes, I SAW VOICES. I was in an emergency room on a busy night. 200 or so people in the waiting room. I had gone to the ER because I was hallucinating severely, seeing wave like ripples floating through the room. When everyone's voices started to blend together and sound like laughing geese. As the confusion was setting in, the wave like ripples appeared to be the sounds. Each string, a different frequency. Suddenly, the strings became geometric, Tetraforming, the laughing geese slowly morphed into a singularity. Harmonizing ONE Voice out of many sounds. I could see it. Each wave, a different color. Forming into a cube seed then grew into a tree. The tree grew and the leaves moved around as parts of my focus shifted through from sound to sound.
I don't know if this makes any sense to any of you. But it led me
to coin the phrase:
"Diatonic Harmonization of Tetraformed Binaural Waveforms"
The ONE voice. You know when your coloring with crayons and you put a red line through a yellow line. The intersection
becomes orange. It was like that. Only I could hear it AND SEE IT. It’s almost like each of Our Particular experience was a different combination of intersecting sound colors. And when I begin to hallucinate, I change the base # of intersecting light lines.
Please. I have no foundation in Math. My highest math
was Pre-algebra. And I didn't really pay attention.
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 04:05
Even if I can never achieve this it might SPARK it to happen and then I can play it in
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 04:32
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I trying to apply same concepts to create a set of bio-feedback head phones that actually target langauge centers binaural function to beable to applify your natural signals and record your thoughts by using the holosonic speakers within the head phones in same 81 speaker grid based on tree of life concept da'at being the microphone to have actual feedback of brainwaves
To achieve this we need to understand how the brain creates osculation as a multidentional sherus (not flat or polygon)
As I understand it the brain has 2 eminating points, on left and on right where the interection of the emitation create the inner voice through binaural phenominon
if Qkaballa is truely the universal key to understanding then if the coralations match it should unlock this secret through application of fibonacci to waveform creation
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 04:39
Because the speakers don't come small enough for bio-feed yet back I need to create a room to repressent the concept that we can run around in and see the music and interect with it
This probably could be done virtually with adaptaion of lamdoma keyboard software
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 04:46
also if the waveforms are in a fibonacci pattern swirl they can pass by eachother untouched allowing for multi-directional tranmission
ie if I have a circle of speakers in a head phone with a microphone in the middle the sgnals wouldn't interfer with eachother
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 15:03
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I think the multi-dimensional side you are talking about are the notes, was i thinking of this in terms of note also, but im not a melody expert
Would seem you are right and the the spaces or void inbetwene sounds gives room for the sperus to inhabitat space
ie if the sound is 200hrtz it would need void space in time on both sides to beable to "stand alone"
but if the sound was 32htrz it would need more than 200hrtz void space to "stand alone"
depending on what note is next to what note makes a difference as to how much void space is needed
Multi-dimentional but not just outward dept ... inward depth as well
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 15:11
if the sperus create by resonance is a cell or shell sperus with nothing inside then when overlapping 2 primary sounds crap occurs except secondary sound like in binaraul but if sherus had fibonacci scaled steps in depth on the inside the would be a record player type effect as to their interacts as they swirled past each other like when we do the snaps handshack
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 15:18
if the encoding inside there sperus was equal to QKabala tree of life then we could create a few sperus or sounds ... let's start with The Shield of David ... A great example of 5th and inversion of 4th
In this image there are 3 rings
The outside ring emmets 5th while the inner ring emmits 4th the sperus in the middle is suppose to represent the emminating point of resounce but also where it folds in on itself like an obolisc to create a kick tha repeats its building process by folding itself AND expanding out on itself
I'm not sure if I'm explaining this right or not
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Posted : Nov 25, 2011 22:06
something i came up with, the percussive element floating around form side to sidewas an attempt at fibinacci, not perfect yeat though
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Posted : Nov 26, 2011 00:28
.19 nice .... love the end it sent chills
I wish my speakers would move further apart. they came with my acer. but the wire's are too short to put them left and right near my head. their behind my screen and don't even reach to be on both sies of the screen
I tried some of this concept with 5.1 sound using acid sound map but I didn't have any direection then
does reaper have a sound mapper where one can select what speaker the sounds come from and the direction?
I wrote a letter to Sonic Mike S. from Sonic Foundry about 7 years ago about making apatch for acid to hand 81 speakers but they never got back to me
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Posted : Nov 26, 2011 00:39
Also is there a wave form monitor that is mutli-dementional instead of flat like with all RAW software I've come across
Hell ... even the simpons have afew episodes that are 3d ... I want 144,000d in my vectroscope
can I use vetroscope for sound or is that just video?
From what I gather in music you call a vetroscope an EQ
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