On 2011-11-22 21:40, TripAmillionTrip2seE wrote:
When you do a snare build how many beats before you break? do you use fibinacci or something like that ... meaning ... if the cresendo is 32 beats do you double time the snare at 16 then again at 8 and so on?
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On 2011-11-22 22:34, sidra wrote:
Yeah, you definitely always have to stick to the Fibonacci sequence for snare builds, good one noticing that. Make sure your kicks are easily divisible by pi as well.
Did I do this right?
I did this in 4/4
Should I have used a different timing?
It doesn't sound right to me
Should crash 2 be timed different or could I put a little vox sample to fill the space?"The end IS the beginning as that PHAT lady sings" DreamStream By Timmy Dean Firman
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:00
my advice is to go to youtube and look for makeing dance music and trance and techno and psy drum loop tutorials, there is no real rules to psytrance which is what makes it so great if you ask me. but you will understand a few things after watching them and it will help alot. which DAW are you useing?
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 19:18
watch this tutorial, if you still dont understand there is alot more on youtube.
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:01
I'm using AICDpro4 but also reading through the manual for Reaper
A snail uses fibonacci to build it's shell. A tree uses fibonacci in the placement of it's leaves. Some kid created solar panel tree based on fibonacci
By creating music using fibonacci we are coming closer to Activation of Consciousness
This what I thought the point of psytrance was?
I think it was Templare^ that said something about the meaning of psytance being lost to Mcdonnaldisation ... I guess He might have been right
Either way I want to learn to apply Fibonacci to all aspects of Psytrance because this is how I feel
Once this is learned, I want to intergrate other concepts from Physics an Qkabbala (Hermetic and esoteric aspect of Rabbinic Judaism mixed)
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:16
well it seems to me that youv got a few things muddled up and abit twisted. i was just showing you some stuff to help you make music.
it sounds like your nowhere near the activation of consciousness
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:31
We can Agree to disagree
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http://torreydesmondrogers.com Fibonacci Sequence / Musical Life Spiral Golden Ratio infuenced Fibonacci Music. This is the teaser trailer for the "Threshold" music album created by composer Torrey Desmond Rogers
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Tool eqypt trading retracement numbers in lateralus spiral forrex sequence in nature music mayan secret code revealed teaser trailer
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On 2011-11-23 20:01, TripAmillionTrip2seE wrote:
Once this is learned, I want to intergrate other concepts from Physics an Qkabbala (Hermetic and esoteric aspect of Rabbinic Judaism mixed)
Torrey Desmond Rogers says Mayan secret ... I think another secret too
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:45
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A slide show on the Fibonacci Sequence and its uses
Now this music is not psytrance
But the video displays many of the concepts I refer to
The Lambdoma Keyboard has an out port to display holgrams of music.
psytrance produced with fibonacci and golden rations through the lambdoma keyboard would be possible to SEE the structures in which we build with our music
Using the math of music to create visuals
I propose through the Law of Restraint we should beale to apply these techneques to trigger genetic changes with in the mind/body/soul
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:53
good luck with that
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 21:23
Thank You glitchin
The video posted is useful ThankYou for posting
And the suggestion to look on youtube
I'm going to make another attempt at applying fibonacci to psytrance .... Just snare oneshot this time
The title track, "Lateralus", incorporates the Fibonacci sequence.[31] The theme of the song describes the desire of humans to explore and to expand for more knowledge and a deeper understanding of everything. The lyrics "spiral out", refers to this desire and also to the Fibonacci spiral, which is formed by creating and arranging squares for each number in the sequence's 1,1,2,3,5,8,... pattern, and drawing a curve that connects to two corners of each square. This would, allowed to continue onwards, theoretically create a never-ending and infinitely-expanding spiral. Related to this, the song's main theme features successive time signatures 9/8, 8/8, and 7/8.[32] The number 987 is the sixteenth integer of the Fibonacci sequence.[33]
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 22:18
its an interesting ideia, u could replace the 2nd part of snare with onother sound, and so as for the evolutions if u know what i mean.
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 01:26
maybe try and focus on the end result (sound out the speaker) as a whole to achieve your goal.
what I mean by this is.....
I think I understand what you mean on wanting to apply the Fibonacci sequence to music, the only thing is each sound has it's own mathematical value or length and so placement next to other values (sound) doesn't always follow a set pattern. unless you want everything to sound the same from the same sound source. and that's not very cool or psychedelic!
wouldn't it (the snare) need to grow from itself into itself? so wouldn't that mean the sound would have to change.
the Fibonacci is something that is "Observed" so you would "Hear" or in the case of music "feel" it in the sounds and song. something you achieve with effects (delays) or placement of a group of sounds into one.
so try and maybe find sounds that fold upon themselves and then add it to a nice groove then unfold and fold the whole package.
I like the idea of replacing the note's with a different sound but then you lose your snare unless maybe it's done with tonal color or some sort of distortion maybe. none the less either your gonna lose your sound or the change will be subtle
if this whole snare post thing is in the end just about how to time a breakdown or something then just put your track set on loop and move shit around until it sounds right (on time)
reading your post last two days have made me feel like I'm trippin'
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 10:59
I must say you have my mind working like a hooker in Vegas really don't know why but I can't stop thinking about all of this......
He made the sequence by "how" he sang it.
so why not try and replace the words with a simple sine wave and then add 13 harmonic tones and arrange them in a way that they unravel down like he did with the syllables. 13/8/5/3/2/1
then add effects to make it sound cooler.
or
just pick one sound and have it trigger at each step 1 time then 2/3/5 and so on or down
I didn't see this earlier or the example about the song. it shows both what you where asking and talking about (i think) and what I tried to explain on the trouble you'd run into (infinity and values) he capped it at 13 or 5 steps. you can try less steps until it makes sense I guess.
I know nothing about time signature (it's Chinese to me) or drums and such, I work by ear so work that one out but the synths you should be able to do something to create the illusion
