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planet_zohar
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 12:21
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well i used to listen to them when i was 14.
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bholenath
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 13:01
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and i used to love the Original Track..apart frm tht i didnt like them at all
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bholenath
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 13:02
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and i used to love the Original Track..apart frm tht i didnt like them at all
....good fudge comes on slow!!! |
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bholenath
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 13:05
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and i used to love the Original Track..apart frm tht i didnt like them at all
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 13:27
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dire straits - sultans of swing
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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planet_zohar
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 13:31
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so u are not that bad traveller..
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 14:39
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On 2003-10-06 13:27, traveller wrote:
dire straits - sultans of swing
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I remember i had some trouble to sleep before some important test or shit like that, so i opened VH-1 and there was a documentry marathon with Celine Dion, Bryan Adamas and Dire Straits. I thought, hell if i won't get asleep after the Canadian Masters (Nothing personal against Canadians, but most of your music, well it's sleepfriendly) Dire Straits will surely send me to the Sandman. And there i was fresh in the morning like a new born, scoring a high test. And thhanking the guys for their music.
Again it's not bad music, it's just boring. Respectably boring
Admirably boring.
Great guitar work
But
Boring!
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 15:05
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Excuse me but besides the obvious fact that Eddy Van Halen is a God and he can play synth and guitar parts faster and tighter than any psy-trance artist can sequence using their computers, Van Halen and ZZ Top's music is NOT for people without personality!
These people are brave anough to take the piss out of them selves, instead of thinking that they are the "shit" jus' because they look cool on stage, standing behind a laptop, wearing the latest eyeware and point at the sky 
I would LOVE to see Van Halen live
Peace out.
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Hey man, don't loose your temper, i didn't mean that he is not good in whatever he's doing.
Never mind, a matter of personal tastes.
There are a lot of talented guitar players and all of them can play "Stairways to heaven" and "Smoke on the water" but it's not enough.
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 15:44
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I can mention some very famous bootlegs that went to the charts tops after big success in the clubs that followed official relase:
Tori Amos - Proffessional Widow (Armand Van Helden Remix)
Lisa Stansfield - People Hold On (Don't remember who remixed)
And offcourse the biggest of them all:
Everything But The Girl - Missing (Tod Terry Remix)
That remix took that band out of the oblivion and gained them very big exposure.
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 15:47
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BTW the Eskimo Remix to Prodigy's Voodoo People is due to be released on TIP.World really soon.
I think someone there just lost his head.
This is very dangerous step for them. Unless they cleared that issue with XL they are could be facing big troubles.
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Drope
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 16:15
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Who do not understand deeply dire straits 'ur latest trick' and it´s sax has never loved any one...
And there´s no other meaning to this existence than love...
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solipt1c
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Posted : Oct 6, 2003 18:28
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1, the "samples are legal if less than X seconds" is a total myth
2, actually, EP, i'm not sure that distorting samples makes it 'legal' . it justs means you wont get found out look at amon tobin - he constructs his entire albums from samples, munged and twisted beyond belief, but still refuses to name any records he sampled in interviews for safety reasons... same with dj shadow (who reported only clearly a few dozen samples for entroducing, which used over 1000 in total)...
3, movie samples are no less illegal than musical samples.... but i think its safe to say that nobody in the movie industry cares about their use... lets face it... movies make 100s of $millions, even bestselling psy albums only sell a few thousand, this is like the 1 pence you lost down the sofa to them...
overall sampling is a pretty straightforward area to understand ....
firstly... whether its illegal or not? basically, if you're sampling something copyright, and dont have permission, the answer is always yes, its illegal.
secondly... the more practical reason of whether you can get away with it. a few issues here...
- if they cant recognise it, you obviously get away with it (like EP said)
- how are the copyright owners gonna fight it if they spot it and dont like it? by suing. now it takes a certain amount of money for lawyers and so on just to go court... so there's no point in suing unless you will get a decent amount of damages in return. damages are usually a % of income from the derived work, which depends on how critical the sample is deemed to be ... so if the whole track is practically built from one sampled loop, you might be stung for 90% (like the verve vs rolling stones)... if its just a tiny vocal sample which could be taken out and wouldnt really affect the song... well, you get the idea
- and thats a % of what ? income from that tune... and as i say... incomes from psy (or any dance music) are tiny. if you're the fun loving criminals sampling tarantino, or p diddy sampling led zep, well, you're making a lot of money and getting a lot of visibility, so you're in trouble. if you're jirah or alien project or something... you're not... so you're not
IANAL but thats the basic idea.
btw, FWIW... I sample just about anything i feel like quite recklessly these days... but I'm a nobody... 1200 mics are surely about as famous as any act in the psy scene, and TIP one of the biggest labels... and as such, if I were them, I wouldnt risk do this without getting permission. But thats their choice I guess, I dare say they have lawyers...
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