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How do you experience trance and D...gs with religion

acidonacid
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Posted : May 23, 2005 18:58
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On 2005-05-23 18:15, tim-X-treme wrote:
that's my forum .
it's beeing a long time since i had so much fun on the greek forum.Thanx for the topic nik




Me too. Like my first day here..

by the way tim this 14 years old kid is your son or something?
You are very protective with him.
          
Open your mind...
tim@motion


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Posted : May 23, 2005 20:37
Nop
I don't even know the guy.
And i think that he doesn't need any protection .His sense of humor is realy something... that's all.Exactly my kind of humor.

And i have to inform you that ppl with high sense of humor live more,and usualy are intelectual ones

          don't fuck with me
griniaris
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Posted : May 24, 2005 13:52
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On 2005-05-23 17:52, :: :: :: wrote:
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And to ::::
who the f*ck r u to judge anyone and "advice" one to seek help ?? (referring to your stupid comments about GOPENDRA )





hallo! anybody home?
all my posts never criticise anyone, it's my opinion, you like it read, you don't like it dismiss it from your mind right after you read it.
secondly given my age, my experience with drugs and the scene, my detoxication, i gave a friendly word of advice to someone i think is confused....like i said you dont like it dismiss it...i see a whole lot of critisism in your post than in mine man...thirdly anyone can say whatever the f*ck they want...you the f*ck are you telling me not to give advice...ase mas re file, kane mas ti xari, esi pws tin eides dld?
opinions are like asses buddy, everybody has one, contradiction, arguments, agreements, are part of a constructive dialog...if it's too much for you to handle then it's not my fault...like i said, opinions are like asses everybody has one, you like the ass you look at it, you don't like it you turn your head away...gi'auto kane mas ti xari pou tha mou tin peis kai apo panw...
if you ask me you could actually do some good in this conversation and state your arguments, either against the subject or for the subject...instead of telling me and other ppl what to say and what not to say ..come up with a constructive post tat helps the dialog....

p.s. sorry for the off topic..

p.s.2 only ppl who have an addiction problem, think that they don't need advice, it's called psychological denyal and it is one of the main characteristics of addiction.

p.s. 3 it would be more constructive if you would ask me upon what i base my decision to give advice to gopendra (who i don't even know), rather than cursing me off... get my drift? who is criticing now? hmmm i think it's you..





Ok let's see if there is a psychological denyal:

Alcohol and Drug Addiction

Help for Understanding Symptoms of Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW)


Lack of confidence.
Denial (It wasn't really that bad or I can handle it now).
Lack of commitment to a support system.
Trying to change others before they are ready.
Defensiveness.
Compulsive behavior (becoming compulsive and out of balance in another area or your life).
Impulsive behavior (acting before you think things through or outbursts).
Daydreaming.
Depression.
Easily Angered.
Irregular sleep.
"I don't care," attitude.
Feeling hopeless.
Self pity.
Conscious lying.
Loneliness.
Controlled drinking (trying to limit or control use).
Loss of control (back to original state of consumption)

Spirituality is the key to the lives of many, especially those overcoming codependency or addiction. A Higher Power and Helper or a Greater than Life Being is necessary for love, forgiveness and eternity.           Don't Fuck With Me!
wicc@


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Posted : May 24, 2005 15:50
trance music ... ?...
It's me against the music
It's just me And me
Yeah
Are you ready?..
It's whippin' my hair, it's pullin' my waist
To hell with stares
The sweat is drippin' all over my face
Feel the beat of the drum, gotta get with that bass
I'm up against the speaker, tryin' to take on the music
It's like a competition, me against the beat
I wanna get in a zone
If you really wanna battle, saddle up and get your rhythm
Tryin' to hit it, chic-a-taa
In a minute i'm a take a you on.. hey hey hey...
All my people on the floor
Let me see you dance
Let me see ya
All my people wantin' more
Let me see you dance
I wanna see ya
All my people round and round
Let me see you dance
Let me see ya
All my people in the crowd
Let me see you dance
I wanna see ya
So how would you like a friendly competition
Let's take on the rythm
It's you and me baby, we're the music
Time to party all night long!~!~!~

drugs ... ? ...
wat is that? i only kno psychedelics

religion ... ? ... really !!!
boom shankar


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Time and space are moving in circles ..

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Gopendragon
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Posted : May 24, 2005 21:30
@andrejcid
how could a trance state be material?or the sound of trance material?cds,mds..are material but sound...
@:: :: ::
1st my spirit could not live wothout technology and teclology could live without spirit ?that is imposible my friend,mabye for it is...
2nd sorry but I dont need advices from persons like you who dont even awakened their spirityet,without have any idea of the spirit zone,come one build a bridge between real and unreal,dont hide your spirit under the dark clouds that covering the light of your soul,light your spirit,heal your ignorance,we live in 2005 asa you said and wizards were on the past centuries with powerfull energy,I agree in that point in a way,but we still have wizards in our century now,and trance culture is the place that you could find much of them.
Shamanic evolution of the tribes areound the world had became into a neoshamanic form of those ancient sacred traditions and there it is in the root of trance,wake up hallucinogenics is a powerfull weapon in the magic of trance,with spirituality as religion.So liberate your spirit expaqnd your mind more,better do it my friend,open your mind and your eyes more,and energise your third eyeto enter in the spirit world.If someone of us need advice is you and better search to read much of my posts or search in internet and books to see what I mean.who do you believe is giving hints and tipd and who is trying to cover him...hehe
have you ever talk with a stone and get an answer?
hehe only a shaman can do that..!!
...be ware...
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
tim@motion


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Posted : May 25, 2005 02:49
trance culture , and drugs and neoshamans.
LSD as a powerful weapon.Computers as the LSD of the future.Playmates and shiva on blow jobs ppl holding trees and biting dogs
third eyes wide opened watching eurovision.

Wizards of nowdays in "trance" ""culture""

And so many dealers free...making money
Oh "god"... we are fucked
          don't fuck with me
LNE78poi


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Posted : May 25, 2005 10:30
Too many posts, not one experience. So, I'll share mine.

Around fifty ppl, in a river bank, somewhere in west peloponnhsos. A dj, drugs and the nearest village around 2 kilometres up the mountain. No one is listening
Me and my mate arrive late, music is playing, we start unpacking and sorting our tents. Ppl around us r already high, coming and going in the forest. Above my tent and at the opposite bank of the river there's a huge rock with a strange hole, a cave on its top. It's floor is a slope, and you can see that someone has built a straight floor in it, now it's a cave. I don't pay that much attention.
The party has started and music is playing. Some ppl that I didn't had yet the opportunity to get to know better, stop
and ask me smiling:"did u see the old man?" Others come and go and shout "hey, the old man!" I find this interesting, but I cannot understand what they're talking about. My mate gives me the hoffman, the trip starts and after two hours I see a bulk of shiny energy coming from the rock above me. My mate has noticed this also, and says to me in surprise "hey there's somebody up there!" I look better, it's a friendly figure, an old man with beard, smilling at me... WTF?????
The party goes on for two days, I start to believe that this face is just shadows and rocks and I trippin out thought it was someone. The party finishes and we pack. As we go, we pass from the village. We need cigarettes, the old lady smiles at me "you went down at the river? By the monks hole?" I feel the blood living my face "what monk hole? I ask" she says: "fourty years ago, there was a monk living on the rock over the river, good man, he must have stayed there for over twenty years... the village was feeding him and he was praying for us. Good man, I still get a good feeling when I go down at the bank, the place is blessed now" I smile in horror, pick up the cigarettes and run back at the car... my mate got also shocked when he heard.

Well, u can call this mass hysteria or hallucination. I think an old man left some good energy there, and probably was smiling to see good ppl dancing and enjoying their existance on this planet. The comments r yours, either I'm totally nuts, or have a good story to tell to my grandchildren           I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks
griniaris
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Posted : May 25, 2005 10:41
You gonna say to your grandchildren that you eat a hoffman and you saw a man on his cave? Good for you, nice keeds you gonna grow up! And what is that you are saying? After you saw a man living on a cave you started beleiving in God? Jesus close you ears and feel sorry for us! God bless trance and the LSD!!!!! Viva Mr. Hoffman we all became so FUCKED UP!!!!!           Don't Fuck With Me!
LNE78poi


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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:16
Gkriniaris, I never said that I started believing in God because of that it's just and experience that I had. Stop putting ideas and words into other ppl's mouths, is equally disturbing and ridiculous.

And I do hope that all these taboos that u have and make u so much of a gkriniaris will collapse by the time I have grandchildren... so it won't be that much of a shame to dare to tell such a story publicly... if not, I'll share it with other openminded ppl only, and frankly, I don't really think you are on of them. Go back to your naggin and your turpor. Sleep tight           I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:26
People are straight and are completely normal. Then they take drugs. After taking drugs they start hallucinating. Other people that are hallucinating as well tell them that there's something strange happening. Not much to our surprise, the rest of the people that are off their heads, listen to what is supposedly happening and they feel it/see it/hear it too. When they are on a comedown they still remember the experience they had a few hours/days ago, but instead of realising it was the drugs fucking with their mind, they start thinking that space and time folded and that all that stuff was real and the fact that strange things happen only when they are off their faces is completely coincidental and has nothing to do with the acid...




Great thread!           Me>You
itche


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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:27
At a party last summer I ate so much "imam baldi" that i had hallucinations.After that and when the hallucinations became stable I had a dream.I saw that our scene (and the inner one) lucks of inspiration.It wasn't necesary to see a man in a cave or God by himself/herself(whatever).I just had a look to the people around me and to myself.

My point is that "imam baldi" can be really inspiration productive.Everything else is in your luck of thinking.

Cheers
CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:30
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On 2005-05-25 10:41, griniaris wrote:
You gonna say to your grandchildren that you eat a hoffman and you saw a man on his cave? Good for you, nice keeds you gonna grow up! And what is that you are saying? After you saw a man living on a cave you started beleiving in God? Jesus close you ears and feel sorry for us! God bless trance and the LSD!!!!! Viva Mr. Hoffman we all became so FUCKED UP!!!!!



xexe
well said!in fact I agree with everything u said in this topic!
respect,
CRX,athens           Helicon Sounds Music
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sahedelic
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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:32
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On 2005-05-25 10:41, griniaris wrote:
Viva Mr. Hoffman we all became so FUCKED UP!!!!!



Thats the point
kapelades kai podilates empros ston agwna           I am everywhere & nowhere
Koumpi Or Mitsubi?????
I'm in love with 2 red eyes.
griniaris
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Posted : May 25, 2005 12:38
Most people have very little idea what spirituality is and who qualifies to be regarded as spiritual. Spirituality is neither a movement of oriental and New Age mysticism, nor a manner of exaggerated saintliness. It is rather a combination of principles and qualities which is reachable by anyone, but rare because society fails to prize or emphasize their development -- just as acquiring a
"classical education" takes both knowing what it is and recognizing its importance.


"So gaining spiritual qualities may well mean defying the will and customs of one's
family and community. But when one comes to appreciate these qualities, and regard their cultivation as the highest good, one is drawn as if by gravity to those experiences and awareness that allow them to bear fruit. So what are some of these
qualities?"


·FAITHFULNESS. Which may have nothing to do with religious belief, mind you. I am reminded of Tonto's expression "Kemo Sabe," supposed to mean "faithful friend." Faithfulness means you can be readily relied upon, and comfortably trusted. There is a consistency and continuity to your effort, and you don't back out just because of inconvenience. You "keep faith."
·GRATITUDE AND CONTENTMENT. You appreciate nature's gifts and others' kindnesses. You enjoy what you have even when striving for more.
·HUMILITY. Neither to grovel or be low. You know your true position, and don't need ego-strokes to do the right thing or flattery to feel appreciated.
·KINDNESS. You enjoy being gentle and loving, even to a lost bug.
·FORGIVENESS. You give up your right to stay angry and get even. You recognize that holding a grudge only serves to poison you.
·HUMOUR AND CHEERFULNESS. You see what is absurd, you are amused rather than thrown by the preposterous, and you enjoy arousing smiles and joy.
·TOLERANCE AND PATIENCE. You can accept others' differences, forgive their foolishness, and wait for them to change on their own schedule, not yours.
·OBSERVANCE AND INSIGHT. This is not to observe ritual, but rather to
observe nature, people, and your own inner processes. You are watchful of pattern and
sensitive to real motives; you see to the heart of the matter.
·PRODUCTIVENESS. Your actions are useful and purposeful. Even in recreation you engage in a little creation. While some goofing off is refreshing and even desirable, a life of goofing off is not your ambition.
·PEACEFULNESS. It is more important to you to be serene than to be right or to be noticed. You gain an immunity to the nervousness of others.
·BALANCE. You enjoy a little of everything, but none too much. You can learn to stop yourself before becoming obsessive or uncentered.

·SANITY. Your values are consistent, life-affirming and human-scaled. You show integrity, honour, graciousness and decency. You have a realistic sense of what you can do and what you can't do; and you can admit error.
·WISDOM. You see the spirit in others, even when they're trying to hide it. You are not easily fooled by the world of appearances. You know yourself, accept yourself, and embrace life. You know when to shut up.
·PRINCIPLE. You have a blueprint for thought and behaviour. You see the
wisdom of acting on principle and the consequences (however occult) of betraying your principles. It is more important to you to do right than to be right; to do good than to feel good; to be courageous and grasp for more understanding and enlightenment rather than be thought well of and admired.


" By this standard, there are people who would not meet a single qualification of the "true believer," but are undoubtedly spiritual. Spiritual is as spiritual does. God knows the heart, we can but guess. "David L. Hecht

To:LNE78poi
This is spiritual experience mate NOT THE FUCKING HOFFMAN YOU EAT when you find those qualities in you self come back to discuss it. Now you open you mind and your eyes and read.

          Don't Fuck With Me!
LNE78poi


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Posted : May 25, 2005 13:32
Gkriniaris, I totally agree on that one with u. Spirituality is not the drugs, it's not just experiences, it's what lies within u. Drugs just project that. That's all. Nothing more nothing less.

All these things u said r totally fair, but not a single experience, man. It's just a definition for spirituality.

But I thought this topic was about sharing experiences. And that's exactly what I did. Sorry...

I didn't share any part of my ideas while describing. Just told the story. So keep your own ideas for yourself, and stop acting as if everyone is disturbing you personally. TOLERANCE.

I allowed ppl to make their own idea about the story, even if they thought that this is a product of overconsumption of imam... (well funny indeed). It's fine with me.           I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks
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