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Hinduism- The Purest form of Capitalism
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 20, 2009 11:12
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On 2009-12-18 15:58, Xolvexs wrote:
well let me put it this way- the only economic system that can adhere to principles of Hinduism is the capitalist system.
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Gandhi will disagree, and so would others.
As I said, you're over simplifying. The caste system, for example, was also a very effective social security system. Capitalism wouldn't like it.
Advaita is capitalism?
Yoga & Sankia are capitalism?
Bhakta is capilalism?
And on and on...
If I find the time soon, I'll give you some more examples with more depth. There are so many.
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 20, 2009 11:13
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On 2009-12-20 06:18, Login wrote:
Capitalism wanst designed, capitalism is what results from freedom of choice, and private property (whic is usefull but not completely necesary in the way we know it today).
Capitalism, to be precise Free market - No barriers for trading, is just natural, its the State which is artificial.
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Login, that is the most naive post I ever read in this forum 
Read some Marx.
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Login
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Posted : Dec 22, 2009 20:55
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On 2009-12-20 06:18, Login wrote:
Capitalism wanst designed, capitalism is what results from freedom of choice, and private property (whic is usefull but not completely necesary in the way we know it today).
Capitalism, to be precise Free market - No barriers for trading, is just natural, its the State which is artificial.
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Login, that is the most naive post I ever read in this forum
Read some Marx.
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I read it and He is flawed, and almost all the left.
Just read Karl Poppers "The missery of historicism" and "The open society and its enemies", Hayek's "Road to serfdom" and Isaiah berlin's "The Crooked Timber of Humanity: Chapters in the History of Ideas".
Then Nozicks "Anarchy, State and Utopia" and Locke "Second treatise on goverment" are much better explanations on how capitalism surged.
What is naive, and I will agree, is believing that capitalism is perfect and doesnt have faults. Of course it has,of course there are market failures, and of course that modern day capitalism based on a money system run on debt is just plain stupid, designed to destroy property.
But not all caitalism has to be the way it is today.
In the end "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for the others that have been tried".
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 23, 2009 13:22
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Religion is a conspiracy IMO, dont fall for it.
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TheOneWhoMakesYouCrazy
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if you love others than it is great.But maybe the world would be better if there would be only believe in good or bad and religions would be even banned.
However if it is private it is real and mostly on tha avarage - good.
If it gives your positive power it is the right thing.If it has changed you in a positif way it is a good way.If it makes you feel you know more or are better than others - it is wrong. |
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moondancer
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Posted : Dec 23, 2009 20:41
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well I guess that one should make the difference between a spiritual experience and what people make out of it. Basically all the religions of the World have the same starting point: being in an altered state of consciousness, and a feeling of overwhelming love and compassion. All the rest is however people choose to interpret it, and obviously depending on your personal views and interests the interpretation will be VERY different.
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Xolvexs
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in the spiritual realm of things we are all independently suspend beings with individual character. when we examine capitalism with that in mind, we see a striking resemblance. In a capitalistic society we see that everyone is individualistic...and the character undergoes change when it comes to dealing with other people and we express it...so you are different person when you are with lets say your parents, as compared to with your friends and totally different when it comes to politicians etc...if we assume the highest self in all our dealings, psychology, behavioral pattern etc we notice that money or capital is the physical manifestation of that higher being, hence money becomes of utmost importance. you can use or abuse this highest manifestation of self in form of currency for whatever purpose you like...the currency note will not differentiate between drug dealer and monk...the currency note is the collective higher self that continuously changes hands... so today you have the chance to give your $100 to charity that educates and provides food to the poor or you can use that exact same note to pay for a bottle of wine or beer or an 8 ball of cocaine...the money possess the characteristic of Krishna consciousness as described in the Gita. Money in true sense is trancedental and whether you are here or not, the currency you have used still possess your finger prints...by money i also mean your credit cards, bank accounts etc.
Even if you tear up all your savings and burn it, the money you have used already is in circulation and that like karma can have a bad or good outcome....if you bought drugs with it and then you see a friend killed in a terrorist attack you are just paying your karmic dues. or if you have too much money and you drank too much and the next day you had a bad hangover, that too is karma..its Instant Karma.
thus i say Hinduism is purest form of capitalism...what goes around comes around
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 13:32
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Capitalism:the purest form of shit
And to think we cant do any better than that is not realizing our potential 
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moondancer
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 13:48
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in the spiritual realm of things we are all independently suspend beings with individual character. when we examine capitalism with that in mind, we see a striking resemblance. In a capitalistic society we see that everyone is individualistic...and the character undergoes change when it comes to dealing with other people and we express it...so you are different person when you are with lets say your parents, as compared to with your friends and totally different when it comes to politicians etc...if we assume the highest self in all our dealings, psychology, behavioral pattern etc we notice that money or capital is the physical manifestation of that higher being, hence money becomes of utmost importance. you can use or abuse this highest manifestation of self in form of currency for whatever purpose you like...the currency note will not differentiate between drug dealer and monk...the currency note is the collective higher self that continuously changes hands... so today you have the chance to give your $100 to charity that educates and provides food to the poor or you can use that exact same note to pay for a bottle of wine or beer or an 8 ball of cocaine...the money possess the characteristic of Krishna consciousness as described in the Gita. Money in true sense is trancedental and whether you are here or not, the currency you have used still possess your finger prints...by money i also mean your credit cards, bank accounts etc.
Even if you tear up all your savings and burn it, the money you have used already is in circulation and that like karma can have a bad or good outcome....if you bought drugs with it and then you see a friend killed in a terrorist attack you are just paying your karmic dues. or if you have too much money and you drank too much and the next day you had a bad hangover, that too is karma..its Instant Karma.
thus i say Hinduism is purest form of capitalism...what goes around comes around
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Hinduism (and most spiritual belief systems for that matter) is all about abandoning your ties with the material world and devoting 100% of your time and effort to reaching spiritual enlightment.
Capitalism is all about abandoning any sense of morality and spirituality and devoting 100% of your time and effort to accumulating material wealth.
It seems to me that these 2 concepts are the oposite rather than similar...
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 16:33
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ur sense of touch and feel stay with you even in the spiritual realm, if they didnt you would not know the difference between comfort and discomfort, or night and day or light and darkness...
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TheOneWhoMakesYouCrazy
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 16:51
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I believe in gods and demons,light and darkness ying and also yang.
But I prefere the good though I'm not always like it I know.
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 20:23
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Shahar, I would recommend you some modern leftist thinkers, like Naomi Klein. Marx is just outdated. |
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 24, 2009 22:12
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On 2009-12-24 20:23, Kras wrote:
Shahar, I would recommend you some modern leftist thinkers, like Naomi Klein. Marx is just outdated.
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He might be outdated but he's a good enough read to realize that this is naive:
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And Login, that's a very nice bibliography. Read some of it long ago. But to make things simpler I'll ask you one question- who's freedom of choice are you talking about? ---------------------------------------------
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Posted : Dec 25, 2009 01:53
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If you and me were in an Island alone, we could have the freedom to interchange goods, you fish, I hunt, we interchange and free market arises.
Thats why its "natural" in the sense it doesnt requiere any "designing" it just arises.
I think that you want to assert that people doesnt have a choice in the capitalism we are living. I think that ssertion is very simplistic, depends where you live and what is at your disposal, but more important HOW you cant to live, and many people choose badly, and some people really have no option.
But there is no ideal solution for everybody, and thats whats really rotten in modern democracy, it forces upon everyone the majority decission. How a goverment can represent 300 million people in USA or 1,000 million like in India, for me thats the problem, the bigger the country the less represented you are and by result the system isnt what you like.
I think the best thing that could happen is a fragmentation of many countries, and that everyone has the right to choose where to live, in a communist state, an ultra anarco-capitalis one, a liberal democracy, a social democracy a monarchy and what ever, but everybody will have what they want and will be happy, no more "Mine is best".
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Posted : Dec 25, 2009 09:01
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look at the mirror, what do you see ?
yea. i'm talkin to you... |
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