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Heavy psychedelic music, PLEASE!!!!!
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pete
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Posted : Sep 21, 2011 18:38
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paradigm
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Posted : Sep 21, 2011 21:00
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On 2011-09-21 02:05, pete wrote:
I think the "scene" is cyclical, and the iteration of the cycle that was into darkpsy got too busy, lost interest, etc. And, of course, it is relatively inaccessible music. Most people I know that were into high bpm darkpsy were introduced to the scene with more accessible music. Now that doesn't really happen, since organizers stopped throwing parties with the more accessible psytrance, and it seems unlikely that lots of people will make a natural progression from clubby stuff to crazy darkpsy.
Hopefully things will pick up again at some point.
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what Pete said. Psytrance swings like a pendulum. One style is the dominant representative for a period until the new thing comes along,and it gets moved to the back by the new thing. Lets kinda go thru the dates and timeline here a little bit....
Old style tech trance was the dominant form of things around 2000 (i.e.3 point turn, X dream etc etc), then came the full on explosion around early 02.
Everything was Full On and I mean pretty much everything until the end of 04, early 05.
Thats when the darker side of things emerged. The "heavier" side of things dominated most scenes from about 06-09 with the exception of SoCal.
Outside of LA, during this time,Full On DJ's in the states were actually a minority I would say. We were old hat, been there, done that, and there were a lot of bandwagon jumpers on the "new dark sound" There was a solid 3 year+ run where psychedelic, dark, what ever you want to call it was the dominant form of trance in the U.S.
Then the pendulum swung the other way. People began to rebel against the harder, faster, darker mentality that was pervasive in the scene. This happened both here, and internationally. But because things had reached such a extreme apogee with the heavy stuff, instead of a incremental move back towards center, the pendulum swung as far to the other side a possible.
We then ended up with this bastardized form of Techno, and a good chunk of watered down progressive that even mainstream club DJ's are now playing.
Full On is what I would consider the center, with Prog and Techno on one side of the field, and the "heavy stuff" on the other, but these days while there is a bit more of it being represented by DJ's stateside, there is very little of quality Full On being produced. I am having the hardest time ever finding good Full On or Morning tracks. All the good Full On producers are now making Techno., where as I would say, there is still a considerable larger amount of produced "heavy stuff" making it to market...
thus still making us fluffy full on players, still the smaller group of the 3, at least here in the states
 
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Sep 21, 2011 22:03
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wish the "prog/tech" aspect of "psytrance scene" would just fall off or either do exclusively techno or psytrance projects, seems like that music usually winds up being a total joke to people who take either techno OR psytrance seriously 
srsly, aside from the classic techtrance body of releases (totally different sound than "prog" IMO) and a rare good release, "psyProgTech after the year 200x" is all way too happy trancey and oompa ploopy to be techno, and too slow, plodding and lacking in FM-fart synths to be psytrance
the past few years, all the full-on psytrance crystal-clear producers you speak of are making super clean beatport-ready italian guido shuffle rimshot "Minimal" now, they totally missed the boat on "the real technos that are adjective-minimal not genre-minimal" and are just aping the beatport genre production style with some cheesy fluff synths in the foreground (see "gamma goblins remix")
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On 2011-09-21 21:00, paradigm wrote:
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On 2011-09-21 02:05, pete wrote:
I think the "scene" is cyclical, and the iteration of the cycle that was into darkpsy got too busy, lost interest, etc. And, of course, it is relatively inaccessible music. Most people I know that were into high bpm darkpsy were introduced to the scene with more accessible music. Now that doesn't really happen, since organizers stopped throwing parties with the more accessible psytrance, and it seems unlikely that lots of people will make a natural progression from clubby stuff to crazy darkpsy.
Hopefully things will pick up again at some point.
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what Pete said. Psytrance swings like a pendulum. One style is the dominant representative for a period until the new thing comes along,and it gets moved to the back by the new thing. Lets kinda go thru the dates and timeline here a little bit....
Old style tech trance was the dominant form of things around 2000 (i.e.3 point turn, X dream etc etc), then came the full on explosion around early 02.
Everything was Full On and I mean pretty much everything until the end of 04, early 05.
Thats when the darker side of things emerged. The "heavier" side of things dominated most scenes from about 06-09 with the exception of SoCal.
Outside of LA, during this time,Full On DJ's in the states were actually a minority I would say. We were old hat, been there, done that, and there were a lot of bandwagon jumpers on the "new dark sound" There was a solid 3 year+ run where psychedelic, dark, what ever you want to call it was the dominant form of trance in the U.S.
Then the pendulum swung the other way. People began to rebel against the harder, faster, darker mentality that was pervasive in the scene. This happened both here, and internationally. But because things had reached such a extreme apogee with the heavy stuff, instead of a incremental move back towards center, the pendulum swung as far to the other side a possible.
We then ended up with this bastardized form of Techno, and a good chunk of watered down progressive that even mainstream club DJ's are now playing.
Full On is what I would consider the center, with Prog and Techno on one side of the field, and the "heavy stuff" on the other, but these days while there is a bit more of it being represented by DJ's stateside, there is very little of quality Full On being produced. I am having the hardest time ever finding good Full On or Morning tracks. All the good Full On producers are now making Techno., where as I would say, there is still a considerable larger amount of produced "heavy stuff" making it to market...
thus still making us fluffy full on players, still the smaller group of the 3, at least here in the states
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JodoKaast
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Sep 22, 2011 03:16
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where is the link for the party you just mentioned? |
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Chemistry
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Posted : Sep 22, 2011 15:26
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Your rant is valid as far as it goes here in Southern California and no, your not the only one. You nicely put to words how i feel at the bar when you said there's not enough "NASTY" music. There is a Total lack of deep driven pensive stomping stellar traveling psychedelia!!! It's just not around and I too wish it were. All that seems to be around is feel good party music with waaaaaay to many and to long of build ups that really don't lead anywhere. not a lot of balance on the heavier side, balanced nicely on the tech/prog/bounce/ full-on side though.
and this in know way has anything to say bad against the organizers doing events here, I 200% fully support what has gone down and what is going down. Because of Pulsar I've been introduced to sets spun by Aveon, St. Black and Deli-fi that I totally dug and was glad to be apart of. it introduced me to music that I probably wouldn't have come across. Totally NOT my idea of what I like to get down and dirty to but in a dive bar with beers and friendly new people chilling its cool. though it would be nice to have more time given to some dirty heavy sh@t!!!!
I don't even know if there are any dj's around even spinning such music.
When I go out to get down, I like to feel while I'm doing and when I get home that I was somewhere so raunchy and wild and naughty that I can only smile and chuckle to myself and nothing has been around to make me feels this  . everything seems nice and happy horns feel good. Lunagon provided a nice glimpse of hope (not in heavy but more in the sense of I now know that there are people who do care more about sound waves then songs which I wish more people did) and the party at the proud bird with Menog, D-tek, Sentient,Swell, Nic aragon, Barakuda, and Deli-fi was a very solid well flowed stomping good time for the time and place but it was still not nasty at all. Subocaj kinda gave me a taste at pulsar a few months ago but only minutes not hours. all in all no heavy at all. AumshantiAum fixing this is part of what I told you in the park to do.
What seems to go down here are only social based gatherings with music that people involved like and want to share. which is GREAT and well needed (even by those who want it nasty so it can balance) because you can't hear most of the music being played at clubs or anywhere and it's still a way better option and environment to go out and have a laugh and share good times with friends and meet interesting people to cultivate ideas. What I would like to see and I'm down to help manifest are gatherings that are more Sonic Based and a social place base for heavier darker music to balance things here in SoCal |
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Danrennt98
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 00:15
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IMO Opsy and anything from Zenon is the highest quality of techno / prog / etc. Because they make prog, but in an actually psychedelic, interesting manner (Fractal Phono, One Tasty Morsel, Shadow FX, Nomolos). Otherwise I am not feeling the tech scene and I won't go out of my way to buy or see these releases. And Kabayun / Unwashed does make some seriously good tracks around NYC! |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 02:50
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well in that realm, all i gotta say is ONIONBRAIN!
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~Jessica~
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 16:14
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On 2011-09-20 23:56:27, AumShantiAum wrote:
so I am the only who feels like there's just nothing happening in terms of good ol heavy psy in states? everything seems to proggy this and tech that, is this really the sound that the people demand now or what? because this shit is not psytrance, why go to an outdoor party to hear this proggy techy bs when you can hear the same stuff in a club?? UGHH! wtf is going on, why have the crowds/ organizers turned their backs on real psychedelic music??
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Aum shanti Aum! Hehhee I love saying that. :) I most def had a taste of heavy psychedelic music this summer. Of course I had to travel to get to it but it was there. Started off with Gil in Asheville then Psykovsky in Texas, World bridge in GA. It looks like Oklahoma is putting something together right now and I know they like it heavy!
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 22:34
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unfortunately... if Aumshantiaum is from CA... all of these events we have discussed would involve an outrageous amount of travel/expense |
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 10:18
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thanks for your replies ppl. yes I am located in Southern California where we used to always have a decent amount of proper heavy psychedelic music. I feel the parties were a little more balanced, music wise, some time ago where we could always be guaranteed something nice and heavy in the night time at least.
It does seems like the scene is cyclical in some sense but I just really feel let down by the music happening in the outdoor parties at the moment. I feel that proper psytrance always has some sort of common element be it full-on, heavy psy (some of you might call it "dark"), twilight, morning, suomi, certain progressive psy, etc. maybe its the goa sound that ties it all together, i dont know, but whatever it is I really feel it is missing at the moment here in Southern California. And im not saying that what im craving is a party with all heavy music (all though that would totally kick ass), but just a party that has good varied psytrance with some proper heavy stomping psy at night.
It seems like the scenes in other parts of the country havent really been as dominated by this tech / prog shite as much as SoCal, so Im glad to hear that the heavy stuff is still going down elsewhere around the country
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 10:25
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yah this party isn't too far from me, but honestly look at the lineup, the only heavy psy there is one set by Penta, and it was kinda steep price-wise ($40) for a 12 hr party.
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 18:42
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some of that stuff is good, but PLEASE don't call it techno.
taking psytrance and removing a few bpms, a few breakdowns, a few supersaws, a few FM-fart-patches... doesn't make it techno
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On 2011-09-23 00:15, Danrennt98 wrote:
IMO Opsy and anything from Zenon is the highest quality of techno / prog / etc. Because they make prog, but in an actually psychedelic, interesting manner (Fractal Phono, One Tasty Morsel, Shadow FX, Nomolos). Otherwise I am not feeling the tech scene and I won't go out of my way to buy or see these releases. And Kabayun / Unwashed does make some seriously good tracks around NYC!
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DemonoidPhenomenon
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 04:15
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On 2011-09-23 02:50, cinderVOMIT wrote:
well in that realm, all i gotta say is ONIONBRAIN!
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well in that realm, all i gotta say is HYPOGEO!
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JodoKaast
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