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splikz
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Posted : Apr 17, 2014 00:20
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On 2014-04-16 21:21, ierofante wrote:
200 euros for 3 hours???
Are you f***ing nuts??????
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I don't think so. it is a well paid one-on-one class.
25 euros per hour? that's for mathematics tutoring. 
sorry. psy trance producers tend to devaluate themselves too much. |
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Futurephonic
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Posted : Jun 6, 2014 17:44
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Hey guys,
We appreciate your feedback and we recognise that this opportunity is not within everyone's price range.
Firstly I'd like to say that we respect our artists and pay them a fee that is similar to what they charge for a live set (actually, we have to pay less, as matching their live fee would mean charging our students too much. Imagine the economics of throwing a party with a top headliner, and selling only eight tickets!). Bear in mind as well that a live set only lasts one hour, our classes are three hours. All our producers put many hours of work testing the connection (usually takes at least two hours to get the Hangout working 100% smoothly) and preparing their class (about a day's work in total) to ensure a top experience for our students. When you add the three hours of teaching on top, it's actually amazing how much time and dedication we get out of our guys, considering that they are extremely in demand and insanely busy. In fact, we're always warmed by the enthusiasm and commitment we get from top class artists.
Having worked as a professional artist myself as half of Sonic Species for a few years (and I toured before that), one thing that became apparent to me is the warped economy present in the Psytrance scene, and also the notion that artists should feel bad for charging what they charge. Take a quick browse through, for instance, the Guardian newspaper (here in the UK), where they advertise Masterclasses that are 2,3,4, even 5 times the price that we charge, all for an afternoon with authorative figures in different fields. We're already far cheaper, and we wish we could pay our artists even more. Also, those Masterclasses often fill out a room - we keep it to eight students per class, so the experience is focused and you WILL get your questions answered.
You'll also find that tuition or hourly work with top-level industry experts in other musical fields, such as vocal experts or engineers, can easily push into the hundreds per hour. We're still far cheaper.
That said, we do want to make what we do more accessible and are in the process of testing various ideas so that we can deliver the same thing, authoritave education from only the top names in electronic music, in a format that is accessible to all. We're musicians ourselves, and Futurephonic is all about music, for musicians, by musicians, and we're honoured to have pages of glowing testimonials to support what we do.
I just wanted to set the record straight so that you didn't think someone was walking away from this laughing all the way to the bank. The format of what we do, and the way we charge, is based roughly on a very real world of online education in place today. I say 'roughly', because in all honesty you'll be hard-pressed to find three-hour classes with top level artists for this price anywhere else.
Thanks for reading,
Alex Story // Futurephonic |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jun 6, 2014 18:50
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i can attest to the value of this, ive only attended one class but the opportunity to get these artists full concentration and time for hours is unbelievable. everyone's very friendly & honest. spot-on great vibes.
there were some slight connection problems etc but nothing that made much difference, to remedy it dickster's masterclass went on for 5+ hours! and included gigabytes of unique material. unreal value imo. there is nothing else like it in the psytrance scene
i guess theres always going to be a complainer if its a paid product, esp. in this arena.
Thanks Alex for replying, posting the tristan vid & continuing with this great service! cheers |
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Taisto
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Posted : Jun 7, 2014 16:52
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Hey Futurephonic,
what is the situation about actually buying these masterclasses as a zipped baggage including all the material, for those who are missing the live act or not have the time or the money right at the moment. Just put the price tag you feel is right and i'm sure lot of people will buy them still, or get savings for their future investments.
That way you could get little bit more benefit for yourself of course, but most of the all, like you said, for the artists and f-o-r t-h-e m-u-s-i-c-i-a-n-s.
Why not add extra option like video courses, when all the schools plus universities too using the same tactic. Video courses and the material as a zipped file, and paypal option, please.
Regards,
just a customer beside musician
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jun 7, 2014 17:06
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On 2014-06-07 16:52, Taisto wrote:
what is the situation about actually buying these masterclasses as a zipped baggage including all the material
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They only do 1-off classes for the students present.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 02:01
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 08:27
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To all the people complaining about it being too much, it might seem expensive to you because your skill set is already at a high level. There are a lot of new/struggling producers that will benefit from this experience & are willing to pay the price for it.
I went through some videos & it seems they're giving out quality advice, stuff that will take you years to learn on your own.
Alex i remember your posts from way back on psymusic uk, keep up the good work bro.
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Futurephonic
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 18:46
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Thanks for the support, guys. We're providing high-end education, this isn't an hour's maths lesson with the kid around the corner. People take guitar lessons to improve at guitar - this is like getting a three-hour guitar lesson from a stadium headliner. Artists at this level don't come cheap - and why should they?
Anyway, yesterday's classes with Protoculture were amazing, I learned a tonne of stuff about bassline layering and kick construction. Got our next artist confirmed, details soon!
Keep rocking.
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Taisto
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 20:36
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No man, thats a bad attitude.. sorry to hear. We have seen already that even more so called high-end artist already giving their lessons loaded to Future Music magazine or Computer Music magazine and getting some profit from that i believe. Then these psy scene is so underground and secret that.. No wonder its going nowhere..
In the end the music itself matters, there is no reason to avoid teaching all people. No one can make a track without musical skills or talent, thats a fact, but not giving the right tools to work with is like teasing your workers in purpose.
So, only people who has the money right away are not kids and are in your level, and welcome to private parties. Everybody else are just poor and stupid, so called low class. I say keep your parties. To me its okay, if you say so, i just dont like this attitude. You should make better arguments at least. Just do what you doing, but dont come here to tease people and saying that what did you learn because you are insider, when other did not have even a chance to learn when their are already automatically out..
You guys are just killing my appetite, nothing else. Soon i go eat somewhere else, because we all got to eat right?
No offence, just letting it out to the free air.. feels good 
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 22:01
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 8, 2014 22:06
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On 2014-06-08 02:01, faxinadu wrote:
lol
i call bullshit right here
daylight robbery
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200/3=67 dollar. is this a robbery? NO.
math tutoring for kids at school can be 20 or 25 dollar!
it's an opportunity to make money as an established producer.
having a masterclass with a producer like this can open doors for future collaborations.
and it's networking at the same time.
bonuses!
yes, it is possible to learn how to produce for free online. but those who got into the next level, had some sort of professional tutoring..
some are lucky to know pros in person. but many people are not. that's why these opportunities are worthy. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 9, 2014 21:22
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its too much money for me personally but its certainly not outlandish considering what we spend on gear and whatnot.
so much butthurt in this thread. if you don't want it, don't buy it. people acting like they are doing something *bad* by offering these classes are IMO pretty ridiculous.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 10, 2014 22:29
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Doesn't matter how good it is. With this money you can get a decent portable audio interface or something, we're not living in the 90's anymore, money doesn't come by easy.
There's plenty of advise flying around here from accomplished artists for free, and being successful doesn't instantly turn you into a good communicator or teacher, two very different things. Not doubting the value of this, just questioning their perspective on what's fair to ask and what's not. When you buy something expensive, you don't expect the sellers to argue on how much they have to pay to make it even. It's their job to put a competitive product on the market and we need not know what's under the hood. It's either fair or it's not. |
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jun 10, 2014 22:32
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The virtual networks are getting too much upset!! Every little offer (good or not) has tons of bad vibes... Whats the point??? Lets spread good vibes. Don´t u like it? U can choose not to buy it... simple as that.
For the classes price, I do not think its so expensive. I´ve already teached some guys, and I must say I earned, like mentioned, something close to the gig fee.
BUTTTT: comeon Futurephonic... I bet Nate have much more to teach than the overspreaded "Protoculture´s layering bassline technique".... 
LOADING... |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 11, 2014 14:25
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^how come your opinion is good and opposite opinions are instantly labeled as "bad vibes"? one is entitled to have one, no?
in a forum where so much is shared for free, I feel more then entitled to say whatever it is I want. It's not hurting anyone, is it? People that have problems dealing with other people's opinions shouldn't post on a public forum, but on their own moderated Facebook page or blog. |
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