sento
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 20:28
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its actually a good topic to think about. i would say it also depends what kind of sounds you want to use. for typical psy trance sounds, your bleeps and blops, your fx sounds and whatnot drenched in verbs and other mod fx it can be very hard to say if someone uses hardware or software. for me its like this:
software vs. analog
if you play an analogue synth and do use its filter extensively you will hear a difference to any software still. they are getting closer each time but not there yet (diva, lush101). so if you use hefty filter modulated stuff like 303 lines with a xoxbox or whatnot there is still a benefit in the analogue synth world. the sound is just "there". beware though, to fit your beloved hardware synth into a modern uberclean mix it will lose quite a bunch of its mojo..
thats why i find that other styles of music have much more profit of going analogue. in ambient or tech house you have slower rhytms and more space for the fat bottom end of a slim phatty or sem. you can hear the difference a lot more than with the short clicky basses used in psy.
Exactly my point It looks like the big spectrum of the analog sound is not really suited to full on or uptempo goa trance and also not easily mixed when there r lots of sounds... probably that s one reason people use more the softsynths... even though the people who started goapsytrance surely used hardware .... so...
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 20:36
Other thing is that I don t think that the point of hardware is the knobs only, cause if you take Sylenth let s say and a BCR, u can map it on the controller and tweak it like a hardware synth... so if it s the same...vst vs hardw synths I believe it's no point in spending so much (example is Radias which sounds less good than many vsts). So, question is, r there real hardware synths that are worth buing SOUNDWISE?
I think I wasn t too clear from the begining... my topic talks from the SOUNDWISE point of view
Thanks for all ur inputs, greatly appreciated though!!
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 20:52
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On 2012-11-20 20:28, sento wrote:
Exactly my point It looks like the big spectrum of the analog sound is not really suited to full on or uptempo goa trance and also not easily mixed when there r lots of sounds... probably that s one reason people use more the softsynths... even though the people who started goapsytrance surely used hardware .... so...
it s perfectly suited mate, i respectfully disagree with you, there is room for both in any music that use synthesis. if lot use softsynth only it s cause these are available for free, not cause it sound superior . you will find some quality in some analog synth that are not present in plugins even diva can fall short, but plugins offer lot of avantage and the possibly to make some sound that were impossible to make with analog.
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 21:12
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So, question is, r there real hardware synths that are worth buing SOUNDWISE?
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 21:28
for today psytrance you don't really need any hardware but personally for my taste, psytrance could sound better if the producers were coming back to hybrid set up, not too replace plugins or digital synth , but to use both analog and digital at what its good and offer.
ppl that will invest are probably guys that don t like lot of today sound production,the sound don t satisfy their ear and they find what can analog bring is more pleasant and satifying for them, or too have more sound palette.. that some of the key points i think
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Posted : Nov 20, 2012 22:08
I m sorry my friend but that is not psy and is not in a mix.
By the way I love hardware and especially old analog...not to get the wrong impression
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Posted : Nov 21, 2012 04:27
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On 2012-11-20 20:28, sento wrote:
Exactly my point It looks like the big spectrum of the analog sound is not really suited to full on or uptempo goa trance and also not easily mixed when there r lots of sounds... probably that s one reason people use more the softsynths... even though the people who started goapsytrance surely used hardware .... so...
I think tunes with just plastik soft synth sounds are not suit for psy-trance. I think tunes rammed with Virus presets are not suit for psy-trance. Opinions will vary depending on who you speak to.
Use best of both worlds. An analog synth does not only mean a super phat saw/square where you have to high pass the shit out of it to make it fit in a mix. Analog synths make great contrast with very digital sounding software/hardware synths.
I have a Moog Phatty, a Moog Minitaur and a x0xb0x which I use in trance tunes all the time. I also have a Virus C and a Nord Lead 1 that I used in trance tunes all the time. I use them because nothing else sounds like them and because it pleases me to no end to make music this way and listen to analog sounds AND digital sounds in the same mix. It inspires me to make more music.
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Posted : Nov 21, 2012 14:33
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On 2012-11-20 11:26, klippel wrote:
software vs. analog
if you play an analogue synth and do use its filter extensively you will hear a difference to any software still. they are getting closer each time but not there yet (diva, lush101). so if you use hefty filter modulated stuff like 303 lines with a xoxbox or whatnot there is still a benefit in the analogue synth world. the sound is just "there".
not only filter but oscillators dont have artifacts . filter is maybe the most obvious when listetning but when tweaking it feel like everyhting is different. the fast modulations, ring,sync.. lot of these sound are not made much anymore cause lot of today tools dont make them as nice
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Posted : Nov 21, 2012 14:36
hardware vs analog, great topic, personally i feel neither is better than the other, there different and in i find software synths better for some things and hardware better for others since each synth produces different sounds and have different personalities, i couldnt live without one or the other, like french fries and ketchup, they should be used together,
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Posted : Nov 21, 2012 17:10
I think that in this genre, the people who fight over analog and digital are people who are not experienced enough with production.
I was one of them when I was an analog junkie, and although I am not a pro by any means (I still have a day job) I am experienced enough to recognize that both analog and digital have their place in a mix.
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Posted : Nov 21, 2012 17:15
@sento, when i hear the character of these sounds i am pretty sure this synth can be used in psytrance and add something special with impact. but maybe you know thats not true. hard to argue caus i did not own this synth or other high quality analog synths.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2012 10:38
there is also a difference in how you "feel" when making music on an analogue synth and how much the potential really shows in the final result. i am a noob at production but i think i am quite good at analytical listening (other peoples work) and have a highly resolving system to do that at home.
i would say i would have a hard time telling wether something is produced on hardware or software really..
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Posted : Nov 22, 2012 15:45
klippel depends, when you know well virus and nords you can spot them in tracks, sometimes you wonder there is a doubt, sometimes it s sure.
same for analog gears sometimes it s possible to doubt if hardware is used , it mean ever the producer did a great job with plugins at bringing some quality that are present in analog /otb mix or he used hardware .
and sometimes it feel almost 100% it s hardware.. i m not really talking about synth, but analog gears, i more used to the quality of these than synth, though some synths are sometimes easy to spot, like some moog leads.. (could come from sample with stuff like omnisphere though)
if you check some infected psy tracks, some you can ear it s not made with plugs only but some gear have been used.(and i dont really like their production.. just to say it s earable to me it s not software only)
a friend when he bought his analog desk (designed by neve) i didn t know about it and the first track he sent me, i got a big smile and first thing i asked him what gear have you bough..
if i make a tune one of these day, more into the mood of composing lately, i will post it, not to say the production will be amazing...it will be made on cans mostly.. but it will have his sound for sure, and some quality for me that i rarely hear ifrom the artists i listen, that are probably all itb or with virus but no highend gears
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Posted : Nov 22, 2012 16:43
i remember when faxi nadu went back producing and visting the forum, he posted some tunes.. and my comment was it sound real.. to me it was easy to spot some hardware was probably used it was not usual modern plastic sound , the sound had some quality that i enjoy, it dont leave me cold ,fake like lot of today full on..or when hearing nectarios great acid sound.. lot of the time when i ear some acid in full on it sound like a joke in comparaison,sometimes you can ear the digital oscs that sound crap and with some artifacts in the sound..then you would say it s cause of the producer level that don t process well the sound to hide the crap and make it sound great .. some part of truth but to me good source quality matter a lot, it s why lot of today sound i dont really like it, it s too much about trying to turn crap into gold..well might depend taste though..popular "plastic " sound like in lot of prog and full on ..could be gold sound for some i dont know
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check this for example, it s old tune,the balance ,eq and all this are not perfect but its not the point. it sound like music that saw the light.. lol what i mean it dont sound like a fukcing tiny block of plastik, it sound real to me..i will take that sound over lot of the steril plugin stuff released even if it s better mixed, balanced.. it dont have emotion, it s dead to me, no separation,no deth,no balls.. it s like a block of shit.. but this tune the difference is not super big..still dont sound 100% itb ,just think with a great balance and eq how it would sound.. would like it even more colored so the difference is bigger..there is also some unplesant distortion adeed by youtube
It looks like the big spectrum of the analog sound is not really suited to full on or uptempo goa trance and also not easily mixed when there r lots of sounds... probably that s one reason people use more the softsynths... even though the people who started goapsytrance surely used hardware .... so... 
