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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 19:47
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snowflake--> there is no 1200 mics remix to "another brick in the wall". And i pray to god there won't be. Or atleast i won't witness it.
Another point on the Haldolium issue.
On another tune of their recent album they have a vocal that says: "Dance for me". When Infected Mushroom used "Dance with me" sample for their "IM the Supervisor" tune they got slammed and trashed for their over commercialism and all that crap.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 19:54
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On 2004-12-16 00:24, rich wrote:
not to go too far off topic here, but before Nirvana Dave Grohl was the drummer for the punk band Scream, from Maryland, I believe. early 80s.
punk roots is good.
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I saw on discogs that Dave Grohl is listed as being a former member of Killing Joke... connect-the-dots!
As for this remix, no, sorry, I dislike it. Vocals are cheezy most of the time and this isn't an exception. I heard Emok played it and got right out of the nice groove I was in... went to go get a water or something and came back hoping it was over. But then again I haven't really been enjoying Haldolium's style whereas many progressive fans are totally into it... well, that's just how subjective musical taste is, as we know. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 20:48
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On 2004-12-21 19:47, Pavel wrote:
Another point on the Haldolium issue.
On another tune of their recent album they have a vocal that says: "Dance for me". When Infected Mushroom used "Dance with me" sample for their "IM the Supervisor" tune they got slammed and trashed for their over commercialism and all that crap.
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Well in "The Last Dance" the lyrics aren't only "Dance for me".. And (very subjective mode : on) the whole story touches me a lot because my Princess is far far away from me in Lebanon, and I can see her dancing "for me" when I hear this track..
First time was in Transit festival when Laureth played it... Some people around still remember my reaction that time.. 
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snowflake
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 08:18
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Pavel -> I know I've heard it... maybe it was fake? could be, but it was in a party and that was what I've been told when I asked about it... so whether fake or not... you're truely lucky that you haven't heard it.... what else can I say?
p.s.
I know youth was a member of killing joke. but I never knew Dave Grohl was a member as well... intersting....
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 10:32
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Full-on artists get bashed for things that progressive artists EASILY get away with, because progressive still has the whole 'intelligent and groovy' pose to it while full-on has no such pretenses - it's quite obvious that it is shamelessly dancefloor oriented.
I hated GMS's version to Money for Nothing, not only because I didn't really like the original much, but because it sounded to me like it was a CHEAP, NONMUSICAL, EXTREMELY CYNICAL, and most of all an UNORIGINAL GIMMIC, instead of trying to be good music - and when I hear Haldolium do it, guess what... I feel THE EXACT SAME WAY.
A friend of mine said that you know a scene has burnt itself out once everyone starts remixing big MTV hits. Well, slowly but surely, progressive has proved that it is no better than full-on in this. Other than the underground aura, progressive has proved again and again that it is just a soft and fluffy side of full-on, with the exact same downfalls, the exact same stereotypes, the exact same commercial consideration, and a very similar lack of creativity, the 90+% bullshit factor holds for both scenes nowadays.
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psypras
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 11:23
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On 2004-12-22 08:18, snowflake wrote:
Pavel -> I know I've heard it... maybe it was fake?
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its evil drug lords who made that bootleg!
and i think its awesome.. but again, its just a matter of taste. |
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psypras
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 11:27
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On 2004-12-22 10:32, kaz wrote:
I hated GMS's version to Money for Nothing, not only because I didn't really like the original much, but because it sounded to me like it was a CHEAP, NONMUSICAL, EXTREMELY CYNICAL, and most of all an UNORIGINAL GIMMIC
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i must agree with you on that point..
i really like the original, and maybe if 1200 put some of the lyrics in it it would have been fun, but nothing more.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 16:25
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On 2004-12-22 10:32, kaz wrote:
Full-on artists get bashed for things that progressive artists EASILY get away with, because progressive still has the whole 'intelligent and groovy' pose to it while full-on has no such pretenses - it's quite obvious that it is shamelessly dancefloor oriented.
I hated GMS's version to Money for Nothing, not only because I didn't really like the original much, but because it sounded to me like it was a CHEAP, NONMUSICAL, EXTREMELY CYNICAL, and most of all an UNORIGINAL GIMMIC, instead of trying to be good music - and when I hear Haldolium do it, guess what... I feel THE EXACT SAME WAY.
A friend of mine said that you know a scene has burnt itself out once everyone starts remixing big MTV hits. Well, slowly but surely, progressive has proved that it is no better than full-on in this. Other than the underground aura, progressive has proved again and again that it is just a soft and fluffy side of full-on, with the exact same downfalls, the exact same stereotypes, the exact same commercial consideration, and a very similar lack of creativity, the 90+% bullshit factor holds for both scenes nowadays.
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Kaz....i must say i have to agree with u! i still think FullOn is cheaper and MORE pop(as u said less groovie and intelegent) but yes....much of the Prog' is no less pop and even MORE fluff.....
i do want to add that there is allso very psy' and original Prog and Minimal...but im sure u know that...
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:06
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Kaz, i always like your way of putting the truth right on the table. Unlike most of us that like to shove it underenath. Kudos for that.
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Zombi
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:08
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there is no final truth...
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:49
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^ the funky beats after that break in the free tibet mix just went through my head... 
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GuyShanti
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 22:30
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On 2004-12-16 00:13, Pavel wrote:
Foo Fighters is Dave Grohl's (ex Nirvana) current band.
They had descent start but they lost it recently.
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i kinda feel that they are getting better with time.....
still i have no problem with Haldolium covering Foo Fighters as long as they gave credit to the original composer on the cover of the cd. did they?
and on the same subject: artist tributing their musical heros by covering their songs is completely fine by all standarts and trance music is no diffrent in that.
I have many musical heros
I do trance
I cover and take stuff I like from stuff I heared and incorporate it in.
whats wrong with that?? If i take a melody from a doors song and incorporate it in a trance number and it sounds good.... why shouldnt I do that? the emotional result for me and for many others that grew up on the song is very strong. much stronger then if I'd invented a new melody.
when artists do that (like with GMS or my remix to Pink Floyd) we dont pretend that its our melody - I mean they called their track Money For Nothing and I called mine The Wall so why the f**k not? cuz some ppl dont like lyrics in trance? i say to those ppl - GROW UP and open your ears. and mabey get some more musical knowlege and depth.
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 12:52
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While I Haven't heard the haldolium track, I feel I have a few Cents to add to the pile.
Guy, tributing a musical idol is one thing. blatantly taking a sample and putting it as-is (skazi, GMS) is a no brainer act of plagiarism. your take on the wall, for example, while having the sample and the guitars, was incorporated into the track, and is not a leading elment that drives it (that's my opinion about it, anyway). correct me if I'm wrong, but GMS's Take on money for nothing takes that familiar riff and blatantly uses it as a leading part of their track. where's the concept behind that?
while we're on the subject, recently me and Molecular wrote a new track together. we began using a familiar Riff by a favorite band of mine, but eventually we got to a broken down version of the riff, which doesn't even resemble the original. I felt like i was stealing someone else's Idea and as a musician that notion had quite a bearing on me.
me, personally, as a musician, I love doing cover versions, but to a certain extent. I won't record somthing which bears resemblence to a musical piece i love just for the sake of creating a cheap reaction on the dance floor (and we all know that that is the truth).
again, as for the haldolium, I need to listen to it before i can voice a stronger opinion about the specifics of their use of foo fighters music. however, i feel that comparing Haldolium to GMS is somewhat unfair, seeing that those two acts are both distinctive and very different in their sound and approach to music. I don't remember any haldolium 150 bpm commercial squeaky trance tracks, nor do I recall any GMS 130 BPM proggy tunes which keeps you half asleep .... 
well, that's my addition to the pile. I see your reaction and I raise you a couple of puns... 
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 13:07
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Short flashback: Haldolium remixes are not necessarily a bad thing. I haven't heard The Wall at a party, but Haldolium's version to One of These Days is really nice. My problem is not with the remixing of the famous track, and even not that it's done by Haldolium. They've done it in the past and I've loved it.
I'm talking about the 'ugly' side of remixing, the cheap commercial attitude under a so-called 'underground' definition - which I don't know if I should define as ironic, cynical, stinking of arrogance, or just plainly insane... and on this level, the comparison with GMS is certainly a good one. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 13:28
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Like I said, Kaz, I've yet to listen to the afformentioned "foo fighter" track, so In my little rant I made a conscience effort not to refer to it.
I Agree wholeheartedly about the Ugly side of remixing, taking a great song and turning it to a gimmick-filled dancefloor comet (you know, one that burns out after a few times). I abhore it and discourge any new artist who tries to do so with their favorite artists. Be creative, even if you are using someone else's Ideas.
btw, the wall remix is by EDL, not Haldolium. oh, and does anyone remember cosma Vs. Guitarminator? some wish they were there?
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