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guys i need help with monitors !!
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V3NOM
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Posted : Oct 1, 2011 03:52
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If you can afford the get the best of course but I agree that it's not necessary if the person has the ears & other tools in places the famous Cosma who made such lush deep music said in an interview he only used his PC speakers, nothing more.
I think IMO that this also often shows the diferrence between a person who can only produce music and someone who really has the natural talent to be a real musician. I'm not saying that those who do not have the natural talent are bad, but it is rare when an act like Cosma comes along 
May he rest in peace, his albums are amazing to this day
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 1, 2011 05:24
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He used Yamaha HS80 and a yamaha mixer .. I read it.. the more suprising fact is that he used a standard soundblaster soundcard,and for sure as you say he had really good ears his mix on those cd's is brilliant.
I discovered his sound a few months before he passed and heard it quite often if not at most back than. Still the albums are great longplayers and deserved to be heard on loop. Good vibes all the time.
The most important thing is the room,Room before monitors.
Room with absorbers etc to avoid standing waves and such.If the room is untreated best is to hear each demo on as much sound systems as possible.This should help. Also with treatment its also very useful to hear it on all posible at friends speakers ,hifi boxes,mp3 players, in car etc.
If the room is not treated it is not really important what monitors one uses especially on the beginning.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 1, 2011 10:15
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On 2011-10-01 05:24, TimeTraveller wrote:
He used Yamaha HS80 and a yamaha mixer .. I read it.. the more suprising fact is that he used a standard soundblaster soundcard,and for sure as you say he had really good ears his mix on those cd's is brilliant.
I discovered his sound a few months before he passed and heard it quite often if not at most back than. Still the albums are great longplayers and deserved to be heard on loop. Good vibes all the time.
The most important thing is the room,Room before monitors.
Room with absorbers etc to avoid standing waves and such.If the room is untreated best is to hear each demo on as much sound systems as possible.This should help. Also with treatment its also very useful to hear it on all posible at friends speakers ,hifi boxes,mp3 players, in car etc.
If the room is not treated it is not really important what monitors one uses especially on the beginning.
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well i agree with u in some parts...
but back in the day that i was explorin the production world without expectin anything.... i remember when i first got my monitors... behringer truth... i had no treatment livin in my bedroom in my mothers house...not even correct positions for the boxes but my tracks started to sound a lot better than when i was doin in shit pc speakers 
even without treatments... monitors will be improvement over pc speackers...
so i dont agree with the part that room s MORE important than monitors...
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 1, 2011 14:15
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I agree with you that monitors sound better than pc speakers. And it is better.
But I'd never agree on this that room is less important than monitors
..atleast if you want to reach a trustfull mix.Each room has its room mode(s) problems and alomst each room has most often a problem in low frequencies and besides that combfilltereffect makes dips in volume.Without treatment some stuff is not there.. and some will be too much perceived as it should be. No matter how expenscive monitors you than have in such room.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 00:47
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the harderst part is to find what work best for you,it could be lowend monitors ,it don t necessary mean the more expensive the gears the best option it is for you ,there is plenty of producers that could aford better monitors but still use what they have cause it get the job done
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 04:22
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there are people with the best studio tecnology wise ( best monitors, hardware synths, hardware processement etc ) that cant even finish a track...
as there are people who have the most crap gears and already have even albums released...
but it wont change the fact that tecnology will help u a lot.......
and in the exemple of the monitors...if u are realy into learning mixin tecnics..u ll be able to learn with the crap gear...but if u have the good gear.. the process will be much more pleasure and high probability that it ll be faster...
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 10:13
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sure but those people should really not care about a serious mastering as an example. Bringing balance on anything work when you compare on thousand other speakers though. For creating tracks to the end - headphones are more than enough.
2 years ago there was a user d2 (or a name like this) and has written similar things to mine phrases in this thread, I then claimed it is enough to have some meters like paz etc lol.. I'm now absolutely sure and know it that I was absolutely wrong.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 12:01
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On 2011-10-03 04:22, Vermeee wrote:
there are people with the best studio tecnology wise ( best monitors, hardware synths, hardware processement etc ) that cant even finish a track...
as there are people who have the most crap gears and already have even albums released...
but it wont change the fact that better tecnology ALTHO IS NOT A MUST will help u a lot.......
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give the high end studio of those people that cant finish one single track to those people that have released albums produced in HEADPHONE...and those producers will make an EVEN BETTER album....
and to deny such thing is to deny the progression and evolution......
in my country PSYTRANCE s very popular..but quality wise very very few producers have been able to reach the quality standarts from europe.... ( i live in brazil ) ...... part of this s due the hard acess of high quality tecnology..... ...even tho we have MANY MANY good producers...but if u compare the QUALITY OF the mixin it ll be inferior ( and remember mixin has a lot to do with monitor and stereo placement out of the producer skills......) if they had better tecnology...as it is acessible in regions like EUROPE and USA... brazil nowadays would be a BLAST in releasin psytrance producers...
but yea yea yea.. u can make good music in crap gear... but the more u know how to make the better the tecnology...the better it ll be the quality..
( just dont forget we are talkin bout QUALITY ..not creativity ... )
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 14:20
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Vermee I doubt that seriously.. The guy in the *headphones* would nver bring it to really good industry standard level  no chance - or he also listens differently without headphones
I dont buy that stories.. I know that much psytrance artists are producing and releasing productions out of headphones.. but hey that is not really touching me tbh.
And if it would touch others there even would be a little market for it.
..and lots of good (creation) tunes sound really weak in terms of quality tbh.
I think lots if not most psytrance albums sound really really weak and bad.. that is my personal subjective honest opinion. Especially in darktrance that I also like to listen for some creative inputs and energy.Not about composition - about the *sound* itself ,especially comparing to other sounds..from other genres.
Some of them psytrance names are masters for sure, they could deal with really commercial productions to bring them really high in terms of quality. I'd say those who spend really lots of time with it and not under headphones and in this forum those guys exist as we all know.
Yeah if a guy who dont even know how really a compressor work or an eq or thousand other important information will finish a track from a guy that know about all this tings but has no ideas , yes of coures the track will be finished - but will sound wack like nothing or like nothing really good without the guy that know how to master and know what to do how to bring sound to a pro level that you feel the bass in your stomach and enjoy all frequencies on all systems no matter where.
And yes you are absolutely right ,good mixing needs knowledge and of coures you need good ears,expirience and knowledge for this..
and expirience is not enouhg imo - you need really knowledge and expirience.
But I would say more than 50% of all this released artist are more responsilbe for a loss of quality for loss of interest to this what it once was,ont he avarage than the opposite,they make an album on headphones collect a few other guys with headphones make a webside and start a 'label' mostly the quality sucks at all time. Its more quantity than quality what really comes.
It is absolutely nothing special or amazing or I dont know what to see each year a few hundreds of releases that sound almost all same wack - qualitywise - apart of almost nothing really new for years in terms of creativity. So I dont think a guy who has releases in this scene must be a really good producer/composer/engineer at the same time imho.
Maybe 10% of them are superb - in terms of sound quality and creativity.I know there are great really great talents who have no releases and some of them produce on headphones and got expirience knowlegde and creativity more and yes this is more an exception imo and such talents should be released.
There still are great tracks and artist for sure.
I also think Brazil got an extreme scene and big musical acts I like some music from there too.
And exactly that what I mean quality not creativity.. a guy who has knowledge and know what things really do , does not need to be really creative or to have ideas that other like I absolutely agree These are two pair of shoes. Than some are idealists and want almost all sound to make really own others care only if it sounds good to the 'masses' ..that's hard to judge what is really greater art or not imo. I dont know if guys that cannot finish a track would be really happy that the other would 'help' and finish their tracks than.. an not important actualy hehe.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 14:30
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 14:34
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 14:41
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lol im in a mix of both...mixed with lots of hours awaken startin a new track... i noticed to stay awake long period of times gives some kind of trip aswell if u are not under pressure or stress...
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Vermeee
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 14:51
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anyway back to the subject.. i m changin monitors very soon.... a friend of mine s gettin back from greece in the end of month and he s going to bring me it...
i have behringers truth...
and im in doubt beetween focal solo, focal cms 65 and adam a7x...obviously the best choice of them all would be focal solo... but they are TOO FUCKIN EXPENSIVE... lol....if i get the adam a7x or the cms 65 it ll have money to buy my first synth hardware....
im confident that when i change the monitors i ll have improvement in my mixes... i know its totaly possible to do something decent out of the behringers... but prob a new monitor will help a lot...
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 15:23
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get a good pair of headphone at same time man ! since i have the ath m50 i really like to work with headphone for some stuff it s more precise than monitors, to work on sources sound for example when tweaking synths , now i sually start with headphone and then just check on the monitors and fine tune if needed. if it sound good on headphone and monitors there is no suprise of translation , while when using just the monitors, with getting used to the sound like when listening for long time the same thing, it s easy to make a mistake ,stuff like this dont ahpen if you have a reference to double check, good headphone are great for this beeing not affected by the room acoustic. |
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 3, 2011 23:07
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roomtreatment vs Monitors (money)...
...think about it, it makes no sense to discuss...
because both factors have such an impact on quality,
you can just follow some priciples, to find out what you need.
----------FIND THE LIMITING FACTOR-----------
(why dont you make better and faster music:)
1.QUALITY
-mixing knowledge (eq, reverb, compressors...)
-roomtreatment
-speakers
-samples/synths
-interface
2.WORKFLOW
-musictheory
-learning daw + shortcuts
-playing instruments
-recording (interface)
-masterkeyboard
-hardware mixers
-inspiration
people (like me) tend to think equipment is the key, but using this principle should keep you aware 
cheers
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