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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : May 27, 2008 13:51:20
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im just curious since we live in greece
and we all love the same type of music
why we cannot comunicate, 4 years ago 4-5 labels came ahead and helped a lot of greek
artists to wake up and produce music ,plus today we have many djs at the same time, why is
it that since all these nice things happened
people cant stick to together and help each other to push our greek culture more,we have 3-4 artists max that play in international countries, and other countries have more than 200, its a shame we live in 2008 and trance here started in 94 ,and so many years we did nothing, plus im realy sorry to see people dont care on posts what other people think and make fun,like its funny to judge people that love music and share there ideas with us,i dont know why but i hope all work all else 6 people will play and do things and 3000 will just make fun of them ,and thats not the way we listend to trance, there is a word called united as 1 ,which means respect ure culture and country and share it in music.
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : May 27, 2008 14:21
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On 2008-05-27 13:51:20, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
im just curious since we live in greece
and we all love the same type of music
why we cannot comunicate, 4 years ago 4-5 labels came ahead and helped a lot of greek
artists to wake up and produce music ,plus today we have many djs at the same time, why is
it that since all these nice things happened
people cant stick to together and help each other to push our greek culture more,we have 3-4 artists max that play in international countries, and other countries have more than 200, its a shame we live in 2008 and trance here started in 94 ,and so many years we did nothing, plus im realy sorry to see people dont care on posts what other people think and make fun,like its funny to judge people that love music and share there ideas with us,i dont know why but i hope all work all else 6 people will play and do things and 3000 will just make fun of them ,and thats not the way we listend to trance, there is a word called united as 1 ,which means respect ure culture and country and share it in music.
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 27, 2008 14:31
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The scene became big enough to be noticed by the media (which is the root of all evil in Greece) and as a result, the trance scene became a target for the police.
Promoters are like the shepherd that lost his sheep and instead of finding them again, he asked God for the other shepherds to loose their sheep as well.
Then we really like to bitch and whine on music we do not like. There is not enough information amongst Greeks as well. For example, people will go to a Juno or IM gig, expecting a trance party...only to face the bitter reality of their present state and start bitching once again. I mean, do your homework before you splash out the cash for fucks sake.
About Greek labels...with every release there would be 4-5 negative comments for every positive comment. That just creates a vibe of negativity and puts people off from digging into the scene to find stuff they actually like.
There are a lot of cons that we have as people, but there are also a lot of pros. Its up to us to focus on the pros and leave the cons out for a bit.
The hardest obstacle to overcome is the police. We do live in a police state and instead of people working together to overcome that obstacle, you have promoters and party team members sending the police after rival party teams. That is the worst thing that just pushes the scene down to the gutter. People that do that are the biggest c*nts around.
Sorry for the rant, but I really miss the '90s and I just can't believe how "koutoponhroi" we are that we ruined such a nice thing. We had thousands of people partying in Varimpopi for days almost every weekend. No tickets to get in, no unfriendly security, no expensive water/beer and a beautiful forest instead of some "katagwgi" run by some mafia dude, no police and the fire brigade people sharing joints with the crowd.
And what do we have today? Blue pages to type some b*llocks about how much we dislike things regarding psy-trance.
We are no victims though. We truly are worthy of our present and its only going to get worse until we change as individuals and are worthy of a better future.
Peace out.
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toti
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Posted : May 27, 2008 15:30
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moonsun firts of all we dont hear all the same music.believe me.
second varipopi and alsos are in the past.
what has trance to do with greek culture or other countries culture in general?u are confused i think.if u think that with posts in isratrance u ll improve trance scene in greece u are a least out of reality..
trance had made its pic time years ago and now its falling.its logical no woryy
so whats left?having good time when we can with the music we like..thast it.nothingh more nothing less..
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 27, 2008 15:48
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I agree that we don't all listen to the same music, but I disagree on the (what seems to be anyway) passive attitude of simply watching the scene fall apart and branding it as a logical progression. Trance did peak years ago but that don't mean that it has to keep declining. Also lets not forget that there are new people in the scene and for them, trance is still peaking.
I am talking about the music it self but also the freedom we were enjoying years ago (referring to Varimpopi) as trancers. I just wish we would all start looking inwards to find a solution. A solution will present it self when we all just start being a bit more positive.
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toti
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Posted : May 27, 2008 16:08
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i agree mate but be sure that no music or scene will give anyone freedom as u say..
now for the new people they will see the movie and if they like it they will participate.belive me when still in athens play names that in thesaliniki could not even reach the airport what progress can be done..new fresh names that can bring people back to dancefloors are booked far away from greece..reason?i dont know.basicaly o dont care but i dont see the solution from who they care..
timatable?
peace
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : May 27, 2008 18:13
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maybe people dont want to be involved to something massive because the Greek trance as u name it "SUX BALLS"
no respect to each other,subgenre wars,disinformation,club managers promote parties.people make parties to sellout their remaining cases of beer from previous parties,corruption,bullies,pimps,ignorance....
Greek Psy-trance scene R.I.P.
Long live the underground
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DETOX
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Posted : May 27, 2008 18:19
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Many countries have a huge scene but have very few well known international artists and djs.Japan and Mexico are a good example i guess,they got a massive scene with thousands of fans but they got very few well known artists and djs.Greece has a very old scene that was big at one point but in our days is 50% than it used to be (not to say less) but although many people are into producing and mixing music very very few of them found success and these are the ones that are really good on what they are doing.Wizzy Noise for example and DJ Doc,they are the best we have and thats why they are also famous on a world basis while other people are into mixing and producing music for many many years but still have never crossed the boarders of this country or even created a fan base within Greece.Its a matter of talent,knowledge,skills and many other things i guess.Also keep in mind that Greece is not a country famous for its modern music creations like Germany or UK are for example.We are mostly into partying rather than creating 
Now about comparing the past with the present.Parties in the beggining were tottally underground and when they became bigger and bigger it was a trend in Greece being a "raver" and listening to trance music and going to parties every single weekend.Parties became to many and to big and attracted people that shouldnt be there in the first place,young underage kids running away from their home at nights and returning in the early morning hours,people experimenting with drugs when pills and lsd were unknown in our country and when smoking a joint was considered as a huge crime,foreigners who came to parties to fight and rob other people and pretend to be macho macho man,drug dealers and many many more unwanted or unaware people who were not there for the music but were there because it was trendy and underground at the same time being a "raver".Problems came to the surface with people getting fucked up from the drugs or even dying and parents started asking questions where their kids go every Saturday night,it wasnt long before the authorities became aware of what was going on and then the first parties got busted and the rest is history.
Slowly but steadily the scene declined and people got bored of the same routine every weekend and they grew up and started asking for different things from their life.Also it wasnt trendy anymore being a trancehead since techno and progressive invaded Athens so the people that remained in the dance scene switched from psy trance to techno,the very same faces that were going to psy parties were now every weekend in techno and progressive parties,ofcourse after some time these two music styles also declined and new things came to Greece like RNB music and more commercial stuff plus it was trendy again attending concerts with live singers and bands,also the youth changed a lot since now video games were very popular,tv had 20 channels instead of 3,internet and computers are available to everyone and new hobbies emerged along with new trends like the Emo guys for example.Time changes,people change and what goes up will one day go down,its a matter of physics so dont try to find the reasons why psy trance is not so big and popular in our days,yes the police and the big exposure was very bad for the music but in any case psy trance would decline on its own one way or another.
I look at myself for example,i used to listen 4 psy trance cds a day before 10 years and now i listen 4 cds a month because i grew up and changed my taste in music although ofcourse i still enjoy good psy trance especially in parties because psy trance is mostly party music after all.
O Tempora O Mores like the Latins used to say,in any case though when there is a good party in our days people still support it,all needed is a good place and a good line up but unfortunately while the good line up is easy to compile finding a good place for trance parties is a real pain in the ass in Greece and thats why also very very few festivals take place in our country every year when we should have a new festival every week with all these islands we have and the beautiful landscape,kalitera na sou vgei to mati para to onoma omos....
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 29, 2008 09:35
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Regarding the what goes up, must come down theory and the whole people change as they grow up argument, all I am going to say is, house music. Its still going strong and its been around longer than psy-trance. Why is it that people still buy that music and the parties are still going strong? I was in the UK for 7 years and I can tell you that the scene is still massive up there, why is it that we don't experience the same resilience in the psy-trance scene?
So in my opinion the what goes up must come down argument, does not hold any real ground, otherwise all dance scenes would experience a similar decline. Off course dance music as a whole, is not as big as it was in the early '90s, but there are scenes that have stayed consistent within the dance genre, house music and techno being some of the most obvious examples.
As for people...they do change, they grow old and eventually die, but you don't see music genres and scenes dying with them. Take rock music for example, it has had its ups and downs, but its still massive, probably more people go to gigs today than they did back in the day. For every person that has grown old and gone out of it, there are 2 youths head banging to the sounds of AC/DC for example.
I think this whole decline is a matter of circumstance and it is not irreversible. We can bounce back, but we have to change our mentality, which for us Greeks is extremely hard. But I still have faith in us.
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DETOX
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Posted : May 29, 2008 15:00
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Dear Pipe&Slippers in UK every dance music scene is massive simply because we are talking about a country with the biggest music history on almost every style of music around the world,about electronic music no need to say that UK is number one in every style so no wonder house music is massive there like also psy trance and progressive trance also are.Even hard dance still has a big crowd in UK.
Greece on the other hand just like many other countries including France for example experienced a huge boom when the psy trance era was on its peak but during the years (and with the help of the authorities) the trend declined a lot.
Something else to keep in mind is that house music is older than psy trance like you also said but also its more mainstream and easy listening than psy trance and thats why it still has a huge crowd all around the world which though is smaller than what it used to be in the early 90s when House music was number one in cities like New York or London for example with MASSIVE parties taking place every weekend,i been to Twilo in New York when Danny Tenaglia was a resident and what i saw there cant be described with words.
Techno by the way in my humble opinion is not popular at all in our days and has lost the majority of its fans into the new trend called minimal.
Like i said what is going up will fall down sooner or later,just some things fall later and slower than others
As about people dying and taking music genres with them well thats reality too you know but it applies for much older music styles than electronic music.Take american country music for example (which i like a lot by the way) or the greek traditional music (paradosiaka) which had a very big crowd in the old days but now that the generations change they almost become extinct,same with classical music and opera,the new generations are not interested anymore in this kinds of music so slowly but steadily they decline.Rock music on the other hand is a very diverse style of music that can evolve through time and thats why it remains hugely popular till our days although the similarities of early 50s-60s rock and roll with the rock of our days are very very few.By the way rock is experiencing a new boom in our days in my humble opinion after its decline during the 90s when electronic music and Heavy Metal were very popular to the new generations.
Like you said the whole decline is a matter of circumstance and psy trance is a very special case because its not an easy listening music like the majority of music styles out there so no wonder its rise and decline are much faster than other styles of music like house for example.
My brothers girlfriend who has absolutely no knowledge in electronic music can easily listen to house or a little bit of soft progressive music but she cant stand any form of psy trance which she finds very hard for her ears.I guess the same applies for the majority of people around the world,hope you get the meaning.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : May 30, 2008 03:17
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It's not the quantity but the quality that's the issue , imo .
Maybe it would be best to start all over again,as CRX said , keep it underground... and maybe, just maybe, this is the "must come down" bit in order to be able to " go up " again 
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : May 30, 2008 03:25
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its realy up to the people and what they love to do
if they like underground and can respect it
mabe it will happen why not
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Posted : May 30, 2008 23:16
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Be optimistic Guys ,There are people that believe that the scene has still long way ahead and has not yet reached the peak and as long as hopeful people exists the scene still grows .Even artists from the past that has stoped producing for a while are coming back to action and that tells a lot. Be cooperative here in greece (palioatomistes) And everything will go better
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : May 30, 2008 23:23
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Embryodelic said it all
life goes on support and we go up
respect each other and we go big
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 23:46
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Nowdays electro/minimal/tech/house is a commercial answer to psy and other styles of music in all over the globe.
Even progressive trance witch was a subgenre of psy made ppl follow more easy listen grooves
Many well respected producers started produce in lower quality some times just to have more tracks for giggin..
I also think that since digital audio is now cheaper than than elder ages many new ppl come into producing without having the basic music skills.
Hopefully this is also positive because they are starting learning music in their studios,so there will be some more and NEW ideas in near future.
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