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GMS Remixing Posford?!
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gaiL
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 20:39
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what about HALLUCINOGEN -GAMA GOBLIN GMS RMX
do you like it ? |
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Goblim
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 21:05
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On 2002-11-28 20:39, gaiL wrote:
what about HALLUCINOGEN -GAMA GOBLIN GMS RMX
do you like it ?
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haven't heard it yet, where is it released?
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 21:41
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I never said that Astrix was worse than GMS, on the contrary - if GMS did anything so extremely hard that requires unique talent, how come acts like Alien Project, Astrix and all of those work in the same style (more or less) and do it without being any worse?
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Morbidelic
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 22:22
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 22:33
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Opinions, Opinions, Opinions...
I think GMS is very good at what they're doing, a proof is that 50% of the 10 TEN has at least a GMS song. Look at the Sesto Matan top 10...
GMS - The Rescuers is not good?
HALLUCINOGEN -GAMA GOBLIN GMS RMX is not good?
Simon sure is a genius...
What the meaning of compare two different producers, especially when they produce different kind of songs?
GMS have lots of good songs IMO (spliffpolitics, Juice, the Rescuers, etc). They know how to rock the dancefloor, everyone will dance when they play...
If you wanna discuss if they are professional, if they keep what they promise, if their live acts are always with only Banzi, it's another matter... But Simon don't came to a party here in Brazil too... So what's the point?
IMO GMS is not the best act (I prefer Skazi and Sesto Sento, for exemple) but their songs stay in your head (it's like glue, I don't like this side effect...)
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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Sputer
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 22:42
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On 2002-11-28 20:19, The Green Channel wrote:
Astrix is not the same as GMS... imho a differendt league... thats just my opinion. Astrix is more melodic, more emotional and most importently his tracks have charecter.
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I never say that they are the same..
Hodi wrote that GMS trax are the same.. so I said also all Astrix trax are the same.
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 28, 2002 22:47
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If they were all the same they would have the same name. That's not the case.
Yes, they have a similar structure and ideas, but definitely not the same.
GMS make music. Simon makes music. Each one has his better and worser aspects of the music.
That's it..
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Sputer
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 01:28
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dont forget GMS made track with Simon.... will be on the next Spun compilation..
But Im afraid its old track.
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 03:41
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Yo Mike, I really wanted to reply to your message... I visited the site u once promoted, with the hebrew forum, and there u stated that Posford doesn't know to make kiks and basslines / he doesn't know to do rhythm section - u claimed there that the only good side of his is his sounds / atmosphere etc.. it comes well with what u wrote here so I will try to bring you back to your senses both as an artist and a ( not very bad ) soundman and as one that knows Simon's music from the beginning of it ( at least to my knowledge )
Mike, hold your horses a little before you sentence ppl in scale so bigger than u that u even cannot understand their genious. I would like to admit here that Simon's full on isn't my kind actually ( and so is most of GMS ) but all these remarks about Simon will have a lot of time to learn to make full on...
Mikey Mike, what he forgot most of us haven't learned yet.. The man is a phenomena of sound engineering and instead of asking yourself how he does it, that the kik sounds so crappy yet on 80k sound system ( I bet my ass u listened to his music on some home Hi Fi system only ) u are flying from all this energy... so instead of asking - how the hell he does it??? u just desregard it as crap sound and go on
Mikey Mike - Most of the full on music today ( and no disrespect to no full on artist yeah ) is done by copying the same patterns and one of the only artists - who stays true to his art is Posford, that MAKES MUSIC.
The fact that u don't understand it at all, only shows how much our scene deteriorated since the good ole years when ppl knew to distinguish between a true art and amazing vibe and sound / or just a kik-in-the-head
Bom Shankar
[ This Message was edited by: Yuli on 2002-11-30 03:44 ] A man with a "master plan" is often a woman |
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O.zen
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 05:22
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mike my man,
after yuli post's i dont need to add any more but it realy buther me that you think this things about simon,as you know whan simon did is first kick gms(both of them) was kicking their mother stumeck and it was realy hard to earing their kicking,i dont blame you so much couse i think that in the time that trance was'nt so populer you werent listen to this kinda music and that time simon was the master of this art.,just the fact that after all the years that he was doing trance and came with his breilent project name's SHPONGLE learned that this god... surry ..guy dont have to learn from anyone. he is the bettels of the electronic trance music.
respect!
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 12:01
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Yo yo yo !
Don't kill me 
What I meant by saying that he doesn't know, is that I don't like his rythm section. Don't you know hebrew slang?..
As you know everything is about taste. Personally I don't like that part of his music (music just like full on and everything).
And you know what is the most annoying? Everyone just admires him in a blind way. A group of arsim I know listen only to nitzhonot and Yahel (and that's music as well) but when they hear the name Simon Posford they suddenly become little 12 year old girls admiring some girl band - and his music is exactly the opposite from Yahel. When they do hear his music they go "wow it's simon" and you can see on their faces that they're not enjoying it. It's really hard to tell if someone likes Simon because everyone else likes him or because they really do like him. I'm positive that most of the cases are the blind admiring.
Yuli, what you're doing is idolizing a person. I don't know if you're right or not because I myself can't really connect to his music (his trance music, his ambient is very good) but what I do know is that when you're idolizing someone, it's the same like a group of teenage girls drooling over Ricky Martin pictures on some magazine.
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 12:38
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I'm with Mike here....
I dont have any doubts about simon's abilities & knowledge. He is an artist, one of the most revolutionary (I agree with that), he is a great sound technician (yep) and bla bla bla....
But he does not a messiah or god or anything else you name him, he is just a talented man, and there are many of these. Just imagine what could other artists do if they have started with electronic music in the same time he did, how much experience would they get.
Personally i dont like simons music except of the ambient stuff, i just dont like it, there are guys that do better then him in that genre. However he is damn good in ambient, and i cant take that credit from him, Shpongle is simply great, that music is for everybody : eldery, mid age, youngsters....
I really dont think he deserves that kind of admiration, build a statue to him and worship it, he is the "messiah", "god" etc' for you. Make a club fan, a shirt, a magazine , just like britney-christi-bla-bla lovers do. When you see him in the next party (hmm, yeah right) RUN over him, take a signature, make his life impossible, let him be "god".
I think simon needs to refresh his skills in the area of trance music, he does know a lot, but that knowledge is not updated. He has enough talent to do that.
Anyways, music is a matter of taste, I dont like simon's trance music, Mike does not too, and I know more people who support me. No one said that he is a shitty artist. We just dont like his TRANCE music thats it!
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I have one thing to say about GMS, retire from trance, we are fed with these tracks, no one remeber their tracks after a month (or less  ). GMS are the britney-chrissy-bla-bla of the Trance world.
I never liked them, and i will never will.
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IMO they make rmx's to good based tracks (Midnight Sun, Reload.....) they just cant be original and make something of their own that will be remembered for a long time. Have you noticed that Reload was a huge hit of Deedrah for a long time? The GMS rmx left the track almost the same, i would name it Deedrah - Reload (GMS Re-Sequence) not a rmx.
Another thing that can support my view is: all of the good artists around made ambient tracks, GMS just not good enough to make it (at least I havent heard about one)
BooM!
take it easy
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Pavel
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 14:17
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What's up with the flaming guys? Chill down. Nobody forces you to listen to GMS 24/7 or Simon's Hallucinogen tracks. Don't like it? Nevermind, every year you have over 200 new cds released. Don't like Simon? You can always hear Minimal/Progressive/Full on where the percussion and bassline are far more important than melody and the spirit. Just pls don't forget that without Simon probably 80% of music we hear today wouldn't exist and that's include all the Full-on mafia. Infected Mushroom, Psysex and Space Cat would sound more like X-Dream. And offcourse, Psychedelic Chillout? What the hell is that?
That's all.
I'll end my speech with some wise words from some wise Chinese fella:
"He who doesn't know his past will have no future"
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 19:13
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Yo Mike,
I never idolised anything in my life.. Most of all me adolises the Truth as far as there is one.. So Simon ain't my idol and as I confessed in the previous message to you, he is not my cup o tea since his second ( as long as u talk about trance music ). What I told u and again u disregarded it with the known Mike A. grace  is that he is a genious sound engineer and it is NOT even half a second about taste. It's about period. He is definitely, together with Dado and sometimes Marcus Maichel numero uno in sound engineering in this field.
So I advise u ( do that just once pls, cuz I am sure u never did that ) go ONCE to a big party, with serious sound system and hear what he does, u will understand besser what I try to say.
Mike, this is dance music. It is supposed to b heard best at big systems.. definitely not by home speakers that cut 100hz and down
One b4 last - there is difference between idolising and respect ---> learn to respect
Last - Space Ninja ----> the chinese was right
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 30, 2002 19:25
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I agree with Yuli. Strong words.
As for the "Posford doesn't know how to make full-on"... Just listen to Snarling Black Mabel. From his first album - Twisted. In 1995. Thugs in Tye-Dye. Trancespotter. Still ahead of the full-on today... What most full-acts will never know, he's already forgot. Sure, he doesn't use the simple "I'll smash your brain" percussion and structure. He's been way beyond that ages ago. His music never was simple - some people just can't appreciate music that aspires to do something more than make people stomp senslessly. And again, back to Samothraki. The main stage was crowded more than ever before. And went crazy in ways no other artist got close. Including GMS, Logic Bomb, Wizzy Noise, whatever. If you say his music isn't as good on the dancefloor as the other styles - it's because the crowd today doesn't know any better.
People started listening to trance with Bitmonx and GMS as the first acts they listened to, not even being to one party with some free flowing psychedelia before. That's the problem. There are other ways to dance, other ways to trance, and deffinately other things in the music which you trivialize so much if you don't understand Posford's brilliant work.
Yes, I'm a fan of Posford's. But I've been listening to his music since 1995, and no one has matched his innovation and depth. The entire trance world has changed beyond recognition, other than the one fact that Posford still stands at the top of the pyramid. That's got to mean something, even if you're not a fan of his music.
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