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Freedom to Speech and Opinion

l337
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 14:53
I have come to realise lately that there isnt much tolerance in the SA scene for freedom of opinion and speech as well as the respect for this...

now i know i will probably get bashed for saying this...(continuing to prove this point of view by the community)

but it just seems that no one tolerates this...and if you aren't in line with what everyone else thinks,....you are WRONG and get attacked...

psy trance (goa trance) is built on the ideologies of this freedom.. and the whole mindset to the scene should hold this freedom at its utmost priotiry...

psychedelic the word comes from the greek root word 'pysch- ' which means 'mind,soul' , the very root of the name of the scene has got everything to do with having an openiness to the mind and soul..

however it seems most of the community are VERY VERY close-minded

numerous examples exsist on this forum...

So the crux or the question to this thread is...


Honestly do you think that Freedom of Speech and Opinion exsists within our scene??
Caligula
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 15:31
opinion is vital to the scene, as it revolves around taste (in both music and social activities).

speech, and the freedom thereof, have no real relevance to psytrance, or the psytrance scene.. it has nothing to do with music production, party promotion, and the enjoyment of the products of both, unless applied in an very general way.

people must just respect other people, and thats it. nobody should be censored, and at the same time nobody should insult other people mindlessly.. whether personally, or for their tastes.

I think this topic is pointless.. because peace-makers will always contradict the outspoken people, and vice-versa... because people are just inherently different.

i understand your frustration of when a non-music-related comment which is mildly controversial is shut down, but only let it frustrate you if its unsubstantiated. some people 'attack' comments which aren't 'in line' with well reasoned responses, and then getb branded 'closed minded' merely for disagreeing... which perpetuates the problem. they're expressing their thoughts which aren't in line with your's. its the people who give no reasons and say things like 'stop whining' or 'stop being negative' which bother me. who gives them the right to judge what is, in fact, 'negative'? isn't that all subjective anyway?

basically, despite the above, i do agree with you l337. this is a soulfull, mind-orientated 'scene' and can be stifled at times by certain people. however, at the same time, i'm also tired of people bashing the lighter ('fluffier') artists, or local artists, or any artist for whatever reason, as if their opinion is more important than the next. it becomes boring reading how shit an entire label is in someone's opinion, merely because its daytime, or full-on, or progressive. just accept other people like other things.

de gustibus non disputandum est.

basically i love open, respectful substantiated debate about anything and eveything, because its generally intelligent and educational. so i hate stifling of thoughts by head-in-the-sand only-say-nice-things people.

just respect everyone.


          difficile est non saturam scribere
Glitch_CapeTown
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 15:47
ME YES INNOCENT LITTLE 18 YR OLD BOY GETS BANNED FROM BOMELAKISIE BECASUE OF MY OPINION!!!
when they preach that they have more freedom of speech than IsraTrance!!!
The I love Azax Syndrome thing, I was tuned for, but not banned for ffs.           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 15:48
I also agree, but all the FluffBags won't, We need to physically beat them into submission!!!
lol           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
l337
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  817
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 16:18
Quote:

On 2006-11-08 15:31, Caligula wrote:

just accept other people like other things.


just respect everyone.






crux of the matter...
mr_sparx
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  386
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 16:36
Quote:

On 2006-11-08 15:47, Glitch_CapeTown wrote:
ME YES INNOCENT LITTLE 18 YR OLD BOY GETS BANNED FROM BOMELAKISIE BECASUE OF MY OPINION!!!
when they preach that they have more freedom of speech than IsraTrance!!!
The I love Azax Syndrome thing, I was tuned for, but not banned for ffs.




dude if youre gonna bring it up then get it right

you were banned from bom for your disgusting use of language with the ladies on BOM (language i wont even repeat here ) flamming other users and artists and genreally being a twat. your ban is only temporary so stop whining. It wasnt your opinion that got you booted but your disguting mouth so get it right           For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
www.psystream.net
Beartrap UK
www.myspace.com/djmikesparx[/b]
Caligula
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 16:43
the banning had fuck-all to do with your opinion glitch.. you were just a self-righteous prick who was insulting anyone and everything in sight because you're so transparently insecure you can't handle that the universe doesn't revolve around you.

stop being such a living cliche.           difficile est non saturam scribere
Caligula
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 16:45
but then again, you did apologise and say you would stop and be positive.. although not given a chance to show whether you were sincere. which was probably not fair, but then again publically saying you want to kill an artist who disagrees with you doesnt deserve fairness.           difficile est non saturam scribere
l337
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  817
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 17:54
Quote:

On 2006-11-08 16:45, Caligula wrote:
but then again, you did apologise and say you would stop and be positive.. although not given a chance to show whether you were sincere. which was probably not fair, but then again publically saying you want to kill an artist who disagrees with you doesnt deserve fairness.




the public thing abour killing the artist was before the appology (correct me if i am wrong) in all fairness...

i think everyone needs a bit of space to grow and find themselves...

i mean when i was that age my mouth was really bad abd i wuold flame ppl online.. nowadays.. well.. i am mildly pleasant
mr_sparx
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 18:09
that still doesnt make it right dude

and with actions there are repercussions           For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
www.psystream.net
Beartrap UK
www.myspace.com/djmikesparx[/b]
Glitch_CapeTown
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  952
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 18:10
jezz i was just joking k.

i didnt insult anyone else except Sway and Nate, and all 3 of us were insulting each other.
Sparx u and I share a huge contrast in opinions, but I wasn't rude to u, was I?
coz u weren't rude to me:D           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
mr_sparx
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  386
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 18:23
dude do you really want me to post your comments here and let everyone judge for themselves ?

you flamed Xin , sway , nate and are the first person to get banned of bom in the 3 years that i have been a member

congrats           For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
www.psystream.net
Beartrap UK
www.myspace.com/djmikesparx[/b]
Glitch_CapeTown
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  952
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 20:00
Dude, please just leave me alone           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
mr_sparx
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  386
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 20:07
hey man you went and posted away here not me man

im just setting the record straight           For those that understand no explanation is necessary ; for those that dont , no explanation is possible
www.psystream.net
Beartrap UK
www.myspace.com/djmikesparx[/b]
Glitch_CapeTown
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  36
Posts :  952
Posted : Nov 8, 2006 20:11
k, can u read the other thread please I would really like u to read it.
I'm sorry dude           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
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