Yidam
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 14:24:10
Suggestions for music you believe sounds like it's not made on/for this planet. To put it in a more sensible way, music where you cannot trace it's history or influence from a source/artist/instrument on earth.
For example lots of goatrance back in the day could be classified "extraterrestrial" because there was nothing like it, but now it's been recycled to the point where it's become standard (ie, played in clubs, in commercials, become a source of exploitaton etc), so very much part of how things work here.
So given that fact what kind of sound would be classified as extraterrestrial today? Just curious !
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 20:09
Psykovsky 100% !! ...When your hear him live you get precisely that feeling.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 20:46
I think this is a rather ridiculous concept most of the time and it in a way is disrespectful to the artists and indicative of a lack of understanding.
It's all in your mind.
When I hear a sitar melody, it sounds foreign and exotic to me...because I didn't grow up hearing it so I don't have built in memories for that style of music or those scales etc.
However, take that same music and play it to someone who has heard a Sitar all their life and its bland and normal.
I think saying that music is extraterrestrial or this artist is an alien is sophomoric. What's really going on is you don't understand the music or the techniques that the very real human being used to make that music.
One of the reasons early Goa Trance sounded so 'alien' sometimes was that the equipment and techniques used to create that music were constantly in flux. you needed a lot of different skillsets to pull off trance production and there weren't as many established rules of the genre.
Looking back now we're like woah wtf is this, I'm used to it sounding like x but now its y....when it was just a guy or some guys twiddling some knobs and pressing some keyboards, probably smoking a lot of pot and spending shitloads of time in a dark room.
Even if that person was in some way 'divinely inspired', a human being performed it. An example that comes to mind is Simon Posford - he had an interview where he was talking about a DMT experience where an 'alien'/machine elf/entity told him that there was a divine riff or something in the recordings that he had just done with Raja, and so afterwards he went back and indeed found that divine riff.
When I listen to some music I have absolutely no fucking clue how they got that sound. it blows my mind. IMO the 'proper' reaction to this is to praise the artists' technical and creative skill in achieving the final product...not going OMG some aliens did this or this is extraterrestrial
It's very similar in my mind to when a surgeon spends 16 back breaking hours doing life saving surgery, and the person pops up and says THANK YOU JESUS
"music where you cannot trace it's history or influence from a source/artist/instrument on earth"
Just because you can't trace its history or influence...doesn't mean that history is not there. What do you think is more probable...that the music you consider 'alien' was produced by human beings with vastly different conceptions of musical form and different musical backgrounds....
or the hypothesis that alien beings physically came to our plane, made some music and then vanished?
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 21:24
I think it's not necessarily the sounds themselves that sound weird and alien but how they're used.
Learning the tools to make sounds can be done by anyone willing to put the time in, but I sure would want someone who, after mastering the tools, does whatever he likes to do to enter a state where he is no longer applying his ego (or will) (no pun intended) and lets inspiration guide him.
There's an interview with Geezer Butler where he says something like, when they played they felt like the music was flowing through them, that they were merely vessels. That's what I'm talking about. And when you make music like that, to the listener, it can be very captivating, and sound like it's coming from a place beyond our physical world. Is it? That's your choice.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 23:06
thank you hardman! you seemed to have got what I was implying without making me look foolish
@willsanquil, this is exactly why this question is actually relavent today. we're exposed to everything nowadays thanks to the internet. is there still music out there that challenges that it has come from a specific human influence/instrument/technique? the equipment used to make Goatrance was known by a small circle, that's why it was so special at the time. Now everyone with a computer can emulate the 303 and 101 (hardcore producers will disagree but I hope you know what I mean)
for example I found a lot of granular techniques of synths to be quite outer-worldly sounding few years ago. not so much now since my brain can analyse the technique being used through repetitive listening of many producers doing the same thing. it's still a very fertile ground for experiments through if you look at the work of people like richard devine.
so given all that... is there still music out there that sounds like it's come from another planet ? it's a bit dramatic description yes, but if I used the word 'experimental' it just wouldn't do justice to the feeling you get when you hear such things.
i'm not talking about aliens coming to earth to make music or posford's happy elf helpers or even listening to music on psychedelics. i'm just tired of hearing trance music that I can deconstruct.
Yidam
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 23:18
sweet tune ake. in 1996 this stuff must have sent dancers into deep space. always something special in the acid sound, even today.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 23:55
that tune is fuckin great! Yidam it seems like you were talking about it in a more logical sense than I thought you were. apologies, this type of 'dramatic description' is something that I hear too often and it apparently struck a nerve If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Apr 25, 2013 23:58
@ psymartin, when I first heard psykovsky (north or south / lastbus madras / debut album) it sounded like something very alien to my ears. then hearing Osom perform live it felt like the sound came from another realm.
But the stuff he released recently not so much. Personally not a big fan of most of the current high BPM producers, with few exceptions.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2013 00:00
all good willsanquil it is the psytrance forum afterall, cant be talking like a total nerd in truth though I have had some amazing visual experiences but thats not what this topic is about.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2013 00:10
Since psykovsky was brought up will add this one...got a nice oldschool goa feel to it too....
Yidam
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Posted : Apr 26, 2013 00:15
this track...
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Posted : Apr 26, 2013 00:18
Yidam i totally agree - Everything from 2003-2009/10 was really awsome and now it just makes no sense. But some of the live experiences ive had with him still just blew me away and i remember i thought that these sounds cant be human made.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2013 02:32
it is the psytrance forum afterall, cant be talking like a total nerd 
in truth though I have had some amazing visual experiences but thats not what this topic is about.
