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EQ plugin quality

basil rush

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Posted : Apr 15, 2014 00:38
Try all EQs sound the same: http://rhythminmind.net/1313/?p=361

So pick the one with the best interface.

(Actually they all sound the same unless you get into ones with some saturation, and I think you can hear the difference with oversampling and so on...)
splikz


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Posted : Apr 15, 2014 04:19
voxengo curve. pitty that the curve drawing is not very flexible, doesn't allow automation. no undo.

otherwise stock eqs are usually enough.
Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Apr 30, 2014 18:36
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On 2014-03-05 10:55, Medea wrote:
All popular ones are good enough... It's all a matter of taste, GUI and price imho


+1 on that...
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Babaluma
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Posted : May 2, 2014 12:16
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On 2014-04-15 00:38, basil rush wrote:
Try all EQs sound the same: http://rhythminmind.net/1313/?p=361

So pick the one with the best interface.

(Actually they all sound the same unless you get into ones with some saturation, and I think you can hear the difference with oversampling and so on...)



I don't agree with this. Are you aware of what goes into programming a great EQ? The text book code for digital EQs was pretty common in plugins a few years back, but things have moved on a lot since then.

Check this current GearSlutz thread discussing Linear vs. Minumum Phase etc., with heavyweight contributions from people who actually understand it, such as Fabien from TDR, VladG, Dave Collins, Dave Gamble from DMG, Sean from Valhalla DSP etc. It's an insanely cool and eye-opening thread!

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/925681-echoes-past.html           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
frisbeehead
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Posted : May 2, 2014 12:55
^thanks for pointing it out!
snowdogg
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Posted : May 3, 2014 01:06
nice post babaluma thanks. not into maths myself but i liked the tips on high freq smearing

Babaluma
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Posted : May 3, 2014 11:06
Yep, it's a great thread ey?

Just a quick look at the options on something like DMG's EQuilibrium, will let you know that there are literally hundreds of ways to implement different parts of the EQ algorithm. These parameters were previously chosen by the plugin developers, but with the newer brand of EQs, they are accessible to us tweakers. So all software EQs are not created equal!           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
aseem
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Posted : May 3, 2014 19:38
sorry to break this.. but only real equalisers are analog.. and if u really want.. QUALITY.. get EQ with tube..

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Babaluma
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Posted : May 4, 2014 11:01
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On 2014-05-03 19:38, aseem wrote:
sorry to break this.. but only real equalisers are analog.. and if u really want.. QUALITY.. get EQ with tube..






You haven't broken anything except my respect for your opinion.

Sorry to break this, but I'm calling BS. I have about $6000 worth of analogue EQ here, and I still use software EQ on a daily basis in my mastering studio, and have done for many years. Did you even read the GS thread I linked to?

These false distinctions between analogue and digital, hardware and software, tube and solid state etc., are pure marketing BS for the most part, and only serve to pull the wool over your eyes. Don't believe the hype. Use the best tools for any given piece of music, whatever they may be.           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
frisbeehead
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Posted : May 4, 2014 12:58
^this is some precious post

only thing to add here, and this is perhaps a highly subjective opinion, even though it's what I've come to believe with my own experience is that digital is better for day-to-day mixing for a number of reasons. on top would be: flexibility, precision, visual feedback. it also dispenses audio routing and recording of the tracks or mix, so it's far more practical, faster and easy to use - plus, you don't need to be concerned with signal-to-noise ratios and all of that.

I think analogue hardware devices (not just equalizers) are best used for coloring the sound or slightly enhancing it, to inject some life and character to something that was already correct, but could be made to sound a little (and I mean a little) better. This is also true, for the most part, for good emulations of analogue gear that also inject some non linearity, color, some kind of warmth or harmonic distortion or whatever. I think digital is best for surgical, corrective, reserving space for other sounds in a mix, that sort of thing; while analogue (or analogue modeling) is best used for tone shaping, broad strokes and injecting some life into the material. Again, this is just my opinion.

Very nice thread btw. cheers
Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 4, 2014 15:48
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On 2014-05-04 11:01, Babaluma wrote:
Quote:

On 2014-05-03 19:38, aseem wrote:
sorry to break this.. but only real equalisers are analog.. and if u really want.. QUALITY.. get EQ with tube..



You haven't broken anything except my respect for your opinion.

Sorry to break this, but I'm calling BS. I have about $6000 worth of analogue EQ here, and I still use software EQ on a daily basis in my mastering studio, and have done for many years. Did you even read the GS thread I linked to?

These false distinctions between analogue and digital, hardware and software, tube and solid state etc., are pure marketing BS for the most part, and only serve to pull the wool over your eyes. Don't believe the hype. Use the best tools for any given piece of music, whatever they may be.



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PoM
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Posted : May 5, 2014 00:54
nebula eq can sound very close to hardware ones they emulate , and yeah it s mostly about the signal path transformer n tubes, sofwtare still have a hard time to emulate it seems whle nebula capture this decently
PRO-Gram
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Posted : May 6, 2014 11:49
Fab filter pro q great eq for surgical cuts and nice mid/side eq too, pultec emulations are great for colouring overall mix
Also Voxengo Curve EQ has an extremely smooth sound good for boosts
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Mandari

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Posted : May 23, 2014 08:47
EQ for which purpose? decent mix?? making it short the included eq8 i usually find to be suiting most of my needs. ensure rightclick "hi-quality modus". aside i use what i need anyways, whatever suits you is just plain fine

stillwell 1973 ... surgical?????¿¿¿? fool me? though some great sounding eq, i hardly can imagine someone doin surgical cuts with it.... in fact i love it cause its not possible, it puts focus on what it was made for...... slight dips heren there with own character.....stillwell.... love it.

for linear phase issues i like to rock out with Epure, lowbottom i tend to use spl bassranger a lot except it wont fit my needs, but usually does very well.... aside these and stillwell 1973 for that slight dip around the 100hz occasionally, i take heavy use of abletons eq8.

i always avoid surgical work..... its not beneficial in most cases.

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Cosmo Circle
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Posted : May 23, 2014 11:34
it depends on what your aiming for...

some Eq's are meant to be transparent and precise
others are meant to provide character and color the sound, others work better almost like filters to by-pass lower or higher end

fabfilter goes from 10hz to 30000 if i am not mistaken...

most EQ's can go from 20 or 30hz to 20000

its not a big deal, but sometimes its very usefull to have a plugin that can handle the range between 20 and 30 htz with precision, for bassline purposes

Fabfilter pro-q is not cheap, but there is a very underrated plugin out there that is cheap and its a great as work-worse as precision EQ

http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=0
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