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DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 11:45
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I've noticed that recently some artists have been making tracks with very epic build-ups, that Astral Projection, hands in the air kind of quality. Personally, I find epic cheesy, and not at all psychedelic, but a lot of people seem to like it - and I am hearing more and more of it these days. It almost seems that the term 'full-on' is beginning to mean 'epic' in some places, and the artists who make it have the most commercial success. So... has it always been this way and I just began to notice it - or - is this really the direction we're headed towards? |
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Nathan
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 13:05
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'full-on' is beginning to mean 'epic' in some places, and the artists who make it have the most commercial success.
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Yep. because full on is easy to listen and the best kind of trance to dance to.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 13:06
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Many people like it, not because it's commercial. Because it's simply good. 
Artists are included on those people, so..
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Panzer
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 14:15
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There is not enough epic stuff in the scene! What I consider 'Epic': The 16 minute 'Herb Garden' by Hallucinogen for example.
'Epic' in music means 'long' and 'telling a story', a conceptual track with many ups and down...Not exactly the stuff full-on is known for...
So what 'epicness' do you mean?
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 15:30
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Hallucinogen made many epic tracks, both goa and psytrance. X-Dream make epic techtrance. Shiva Chandra had some epic minimal tracks. As for epic full-on, I don't think that many make epic tracks - at least not the 1200 GASPs, Paraskazi and Psychotic Syndrome types, which are the majority and more commercial side of full-on.
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 16:45
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A lot of Infected tracks.
Symphonatic, imho, one of the best epic tracks.
Etnica - Trip tonight rmx (11 minutes morning tune)
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Anak
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 18:22
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 18:47
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epic feelings are very important in a track from my point of view... and I think many tracks can be psy and epic alltogether.
as for some epic example:
Nuclear Ramjet - Brightness
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 21:16
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Yeah, maybe I didn't define the term "Epic" well enough. I don't mean it as a massive track that tells a story, or a track that inspires the epic feeling. It can be done very well, and you mentioned some of them. I like all those tracks, actually.
I mean it as a term - like "Epic Trance" used to be a really cheesy strain of club trance that used that kind of build-ups. Example from more recently: Psydrop - Fantasy Seeds. Excellent music, only at the end of each track (except one or two maybe) the music stops, starts to build, gets super-cheesy, and I just want to get out my lighter. |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 21:20
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lol
i know what you mean, but i found fantasy seeds stayed on just the right side of the line. big and epic enough build up to get dancefloors really pumped, but still not ibiza-sash-bullshit by any means.
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 4, 2003 19:59
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Take that type of music, replace the bassline with something spacey, take a bit off the feedback on all the effects, a bit less distortion, and voila - you've got pure clubtrance. The fact that people don't seem to notice or care is a damn shame. That vibe is a plague to the full-on scene just like the house grooves are to the progressive one. It's a damn shame people don't listen to something that tries to surprise them... about 14 hours ago I was at a set with this type of music. It was really horrid seeing the E'd up clubbers take over the dancefloor.
For me this is the ibiza-sash-bullshit of the psytrance scene.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Oct 4, 2003 20:02
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kaz who are you to tell people what to listen to? Again taste is taste.... Open up your mind up or let people enjoy what they like without remarks like " It's a damn shame people don't listen to something that tries to surprise them" |
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Goblim
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Posted : Oct 4, 2003 23:09
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This is great news if it means that melodies return to psytrance
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 5, 2003 00:14
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Not this kind of melodies, please. Maybe something less cheesy, yes. |
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 5, 2003 01:57
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Let me say this from the beginning. I like psychedelic music. I like psychedelic trance. If psychedelic trance is something else with some changes in the soundwork and bassline to be called psytrance - I feel people are DECEIVING me. This music is not psychedelic, the energies in it are not psytrance energies, excluding the bassline. For me the bassline isn't what makes a track psychedelic, it's like giving a starving man a cracker to eat. Gee, thanks, I guess everything's all right now, you can just go away and think you did your good deed for today now right?
Elysium: I thought you were against the MDMA munching uber-ravers in cyberdog clothing taking over the trance world... I just said that the moment this music gets played, it draws that crowd into a frenzy, WHICH IS A FACT, not suggestion. Yes, it annoys me to see that crowd - because I'm not looking for another disco in the forest. You've also said that you don't like music based on old formulas, well, big surprise to you: summer 1998/1999, clubs all over the world, that's the formula of this music (hands in the air, massive breakdown, cheesy melodies, superficial emotions and depth matching that of a plate). I reserve the right to be annoyed at people that play music I hate, feel no need to be politically correct about my musical taste. Just like you said you're bored with the old goa formulas, I'm bored with old clubtrance formulas, and I think it's a shame that not everyone feels this way. I do NOT tell people what to listen to, not any more than you do. And I have my taste, just like you, so you're no more openminded than I am, or anyone else for that matter - unless political correctness and being open minded are the same thing. You can imagine the one word I was too politically correct to add here - it starts with 'H'.
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