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don't mix into bus comp/multiband comp...?
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golem
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Posted : Feb 6, 2014 01:05:32
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I just need to express my frustration. I did this template project where I have pretty much everything else except for drums/bass going trough a comp or multiband comp.
Now when I turn it off, it sounds horrible, I need to mix the whole tune again from scratch :I
It makes me think that can you mix a professional quality tune without having a single bus compressor/multiband comp or saturation in bus. What do you think...?
I remember an interview of Infected Mushroom where Erez told that he almost never uses compressors..
 
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Feb 6, 2014 02:00
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sometimes i use a bus for 2 leads n make some tweaks to glue them. but i would never run more than 3 tracks on one bus compression. my 2 cents
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 7, 2014 05:42
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if you've produced feeding the signals to this compressors, then it wouldn't make sense to get rid of it, because that's what you've based a lot of decisions in, no matter if it's right or wrong, it's done...
no problem using bus compressors, as long as it's gentle settings, not much gain reduction, can help bring the elements together and works fine.
multi-band is trickier as, unless you really know what you're doing, chances are you're going to fuck up more then you'll make things better like 8 to 2. It's possible to dispense with the use of compressors to control dynamics, if you're gain structure is very nicely defined, but sometimes they're not problem solvers, more like broad strokes adjustment kind of thing.
one thing to consider would be: don't run your mix into a chain of plug-ins! because you'll ultimately base all of your posterior judgements on how it sounds coming through that chain, and that's introducing new elements to the equation. it's better to work the mix until it sounds good without any further processing going on, and then make those mix decisions when it's done. multi-band may be a little to drastic for every group, as I can't think of reasons why you'd need so many options per group, unless this is some very gentle broad strokes kind of thing, but assumidly you're going to change the sound - a lot! - by doing this. bus compressors, ok, 'cause it will only affect the global dynamics of the group of sounds.
I'd leave multi-band compressors to the mastering chain, only after the mix is done. Just for shaving off some remaining excessive dynamics, while making the sound more cohesive at once. Very gentle settings with this, usually, otherwise the mix was wrong to begin with. It's also cool on individual sounds to use as you would a dynamic EQ, for zoning in on problematic frequencies that you wouldn't necessarily want to cut with a normal EQ, but you wouldn't want banging as high either. |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Feb 7, 2014 10:50
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 7, 2014 18:48
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good mixes coming in I see... the force is strong in your clients me thinks |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 7, 2014 18:57
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On 2014-02-07 10:50, Babaluma wrote:
You should learn to make FANTASTIC mixes without ANYTHING on the two buss, before you start whacking stuff on there willy nilly...
And I haven't used a multiband compressor in mastering in about four years.
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^^All this.
If you mix hard into a compressor it's quite easily to make it sound superficially 'good'. However you're fooling yourself about the level of your own competence, and making things much harder for the mastering engineer who might have to work on your track after you've finished it.
I'm a bit confused by how you say you have " pretty much everything else except for drums/bass going trough a comp or multiband comp" - everything EXCEPT for drums/bass going throught a compressor on the master buss - how do you do that?!
Bus compression on subgroups is a different thing, however, and can be a good way of getting eg. a percussion subgroup to gel together. I don't tend to use subgroup compression for many other things however, although I'm sure some people get a lot of mileage out of it. As Frisbeehead says, if you're using compressors on subgroups there's no point in turning them off for the mixdown, as you've made them part of the sound of the track.
I'd always reserve multiband compression for troubleshooting serious problems, and *very* rarely use it in my mastering chain any more.
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Feb 8, 2014 00:35
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most digital comps come with there wet and dry mix anyways,,i duno wot the problem is bout extra bus .. fuk knos wether im on topic or not but... i always though individual process made more sense? "getting the best out of one sound"....nothing wrong with a multiband comp linear phase or none on one sound.... what ever happend to processing each sound as u go along....
after all ... a phat individual processed mix (IE YOU THE BEDROOM PROCUCER) = a FUCKING GREAT SOUNDING MASTER ... fuk the bus and get a taxi 
also what ever happend to the dynamic eq... what ever creates punch in the low end ay multiband dynamic eq and multiband comp... i knew my wife was cheating on me lol
i can fuck hard into my compressor now coz she comes with wet and dry... set it half way i get the best of both worlds ;-) soz colin |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 9, 2014 20:46
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mixing isn't about optimizing each sound to sound the best on it's own, it's about making it all sound good together. that's why it's called mixing...
wet and dry has it's uses, of course, but what you're getting out of it is parallel compression, NY style. and that's it. if you set it half way, you'll get a mix of the dry signal with the compressed one, if we're talking NY style of compressing, you'd really go hard on the compressor, but you wouldn't mix the compressed signal half way with the original, just a little touch to give this little extra bit of strength...
about punch in the low end: provided you have good sounds to begin with, you'll then have to shave off some frequencies, rather then actually boosting or pumping things up.
dynamic EQ has it's uses, when you don't necessarily want to bring down the frequencies but would like them to be more controlled, so you compress them. just like a DeESer works. again, it's usually more about bringing down them up.
to put it all in perspective: you really should mix with nothing on the master channel, otherwise this chain you have set at the end will influence all your decisions - and more then likely in a bad way. think about the relative volumes of your groups, it's only powerful or soft in comparison... cheers
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Feb 9, 2014 22:08
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i work on individual sound, then i mix them A/B.. simple. i kno what im getting out of it and why n how it works,i dont just slap on plugins for the fuck of it,,
and i ment that there r other plugins for other uses rather than this same routine..
yes it parallel comp nyc blabla,,yes dyn eq diff,thank u, although,Im no newb...but im sure what u just sed above me someone will find very useful.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 10, 2014 17:03
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listen, not trying to school anyone here...
my post was based on what you wrote after Colin nailed the thread, 100% on topic. your post almost reads like "yeah sure, but I can do whatever the fuck I want and get away with it, because I already know how to do stuff".
if you do, that's fine, sure you can do whatever the fuck you want. but the reason I surf this parts of the web during some breaks is to find some relevant information, hopefully laid out properly - 'cause that's how we can all grow together.
this is an area where confusion should be avoided, as it can lead to serious misconceptions and bad procedures during production and mixing. |
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Feb 10, 2014 19:48
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yeh there is... and the moral is , dont fuck around with things ya dont kno nuthin about... but, in order to wana know, ya need to fuck with them and understand ... ... my point was an individual sound thats processed good and mixed with others good, no need for master plugins such as multi/comp...
done. i was just runnin on, i just say stuff sumtimes, coz made me laugh when colin sed bout mixing hard into a comp,, gave me naughty thoughts ...  but because your serous, ya misinterpreted my brittish humor you misunderstood... "wet and dry" and "fucking hard" lol get it... nevermind
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 10, 2014 20:04
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XD
yeah, but inside the context of that joke, ain't full wet better option? |
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Feb 10, 2014 20:36
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yes it is...
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Babaluma
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Posted : Feb 11, 2014 17:48
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Feb 11, 2014 18:23
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brave naughty bitch! gotta hurt.... in this case the ears 
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