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Apocalypse Now
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Nov 8, 2003 04:41
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Trancemaster,
You didn't know about Psygarden, that's understandable but now you do. I looked at your site and it seems like it's early enough to change things without it being too much of a hassle. The people who run the real Psygarden put an incredible amount of work into it and it seems like they were very accomodating in their requests and the solutions they brought up. Like someone already said, it's a small scene, everyone knows everyone.
What goes around comes around, doing the right thing will pay off for you and your site.
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TranceMaster
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Posted : Nov 9, 2003 06:52
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Most normal people check if three gTLDs are available before they register a domain name. Those are .com, .net and .org. That's what we did. I personally did not know about Psygarden.be before we started our project.
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mouka
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Nov 9, 2003 13:27
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I encountered the same problem with my website Goadelic.nl. which is active since 10-07-2001! There is another site in Switzerland called Goadelic.ch and it's date of registration is 04.02.2003! So if anyone would submit Goadelic in a search engine the results come up with pages from Goadelic.nl! The same goes for Psygarden.be, unique names as psytrance portals. I think when choosing a name for a website you check it in different searchengines and not just in top level domains. But then again, if it's not copyrighted what to do? (I didn't, it's a bit silly perhaps but in our scene we are not in protectionism!) At least have the dignity of asking & checking with the webmasters of such existing domain names. We all are part of the psytrance community & want to work together and not duplicating psytrance names. We can start isratrance .ch or isratrance.be and say we didn't know about the name beacause we checked it at our national domain levels! Anyone in the psytrance scene knows well known names or is able to check names on links pages from any psytance site! So either people benefit on esablished names or they are so creative to think of a unigue name themselves. I mean every domain level allready has it's www.goatrance site. (wasn't this originally started in Germany???).
Anyway, be creative and original about names and if not take it as a complment if someone copies your name!
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traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Nov 9, 2003 13:50
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nothing illegal in starting isratrance.whatever and i don't see a problem..
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Apocalypse Now
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 02:26
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There is a big difference between doing what is legal and doing what is right. We don't need cops and lawyers in this scene, we need human beings.
"Trancemaster", This could have been solved very easily without giving your site and country a bad name. You only have 50 members there registered. Is it going to be that hard to move somewhere else or are you doing this just as a principle to show how everyone how much of an asshole you are?
I have nothing to do with psygarden.be, I'm just someone who's looking from the side wondering why people can be so unaccommodating sometimes. This obviously means a lot to the guy. He put his heart and soul into a site that people from around the world can enjoy and participate in for free.
If I were you I would take up Rik's offer of buying you a free domain name and even designing some nice stuff for your website. It will cost you absolutely nothing and you won't lose any face at all. There is no reason not to unless you guys are enjoying seeing someone suffer.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 09:57
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Oh come on now.. is it really such a big deal here? It's not like it's 2 companies out to make money of their websites... it's only 2 amature websites... it's not the end of the world.... and frankly.... they have all the right to call their website what they want as long as psygarden.be did not copyright the name. Again it's not the end of the world and frankly not that important if there's 2 websites with almost the same name.... I am sure people will know the difference - especially since it's 2 different languages.....
And just because they dont want to change the sitename does not make them less human than you.... tsk. tsk.  |
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Apocalypse Now
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 11:13
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Of course it's not a big deal to you EP. For obvious reasons.
Psygarden.be is not an amature site. Go over there and have a look for yourself. They have an incredible Art gallery, which is the main reason I go there and why I feel the need to stand up for them. But they also have a nice section for new musicians to host their work which is another thing that makes them into a good site for our scene that should be supported.
Yes, they aren't making money off it, is that supposed to be a bad thing?
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 14:33
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Amature = no profit = not for commercial use
I never said anything about it being a bad thing that's it's not about money.
And I have been there and yes it's nice but I still believe it's nagging that's going on in the thread  |
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Rik
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 17:41
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not making money = i pay over 1000$ a year for the hosting.
i doubt that there are many people here that invested such amounts in something that never will pay itself back. just for fun. www.psytracks.com :: Brand new website for sharing your psytracks with the world. Get a free 250Mb Artist profile, Blog and events calender!
www.psygarden.be :: Upload your psychedelic art and partypictures to our gallery! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 17:43
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What have that to do with that you're not making money from your website?
rik face it there's nothing you can do... so live with it
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Rik
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 17:51
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i'm just pointing out that his is not only non-profit, but even costing me a rather large sum of money anually.
Ofcourse there is nothing i can do (actually there is but i don't want to go this far for a name) I knew that before i started this thread. i just hoped that Trancemaster would show a little bit more respect for the efforts our team put into psygarden.
obviously this is not the case.
They had plenty of room for me in their team to help them build up their international section (he asked me to work with them at some point), but oh no, i should never ask something in return.
*sigh*
friends of mine registered psygarden.com recently to prevent more alike situations in the future.
Feel free to lock this topic at any point, i doubt that there is more to be said...
www.psytracks.com :: Brand new website for sharing your psytracks with the world. Get a free 250Mb Artist profile, Blog and events calender!
www.psygarden.be :: Upload your psychedelic art and partypictures to our gallery! |
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wine drinking trancer
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 17:58
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i really really don't get what the problem is. could you maybe explain what exactly harm does this other page do to you? |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 18:03
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yeah i wonder that too.... seem to me it's a lot of nagging here... he's done no harm in my opinion.
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wine drinking trancer
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Posted : Nov 13, 2003 18:10
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Vicky
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Nov 17, 2003 08:34
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rik - if u payin tht money annually - u shud hve thut about gettin 'psygarden' protected under property rights.
other - it hardly takes $11 - 12 to block a domain name - not hosting but only blocking a domain - so if you spend $1000 - u shud alo spend $33 extra to reserve the most common domain names like .com, .net, .org - ya ppl will defi come up with .fi nd .tk - but those shud not effect u much.
anyways now as you and trancemaster cud not come to a common solution - i guess drope's suggestion is a good one - trancemaster should put a link on his website to give correct direction to ppl lookin out for rik's website and wrongly reached there.
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