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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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Marquis
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 09:50
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AlphaQuadrant
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 22:04
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well i make also some "dark" music or like dark music to listen to.
while i think satanic music ( i mean with lyrics that worshup satan + call for the hell to break loose and simmilar shit ) is just stupid. same as fascist music or extrem left wing.
so if someone makes dark music you shouldn´t categorize him as satanist. of course i don´t know what kind of psytrance you are talking about... i think trance ( goa ) should me more reflect the good and happy side of the world. otherwise those ppl. should perhaps try to get some listeners from black metal or goth scene as -some- ( not the most though ) ppl. from these scenes seem to have interest in satanic stuff....but leave our peaceful trance scene alone. it doesn´t fit to this music....(IMHO) |
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wicc@
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Posted : Jul 22, 2005 13:18
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Devil worships everywhere ,in every scene, is so simple..
worships in acid most of all...
..in our brain...
he is everywhere
we live in his playground (brocken toy-devil's playground)
but don worry, produsers just do their work, no time to worshipin the deviL
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The tragedy of our cultural situation is that we have no shamanic tradition
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jul 22, 2005 14:39
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I haven't heard that there would be actual Devil's worshipping in trance scene. I don't put much weight on track titles and since there are no lyrics the message is hard to forwrd even if there would be some dark mind behind the music. Usually devil's worshipping is related with black or doom metal and yes, they do sing about killing, devil, satan etc. and there have been even ritual murders inspired by this music.
Let's keep our scene clean. And anybody with experiences of evil presence in parties can blame only their own mood and drugs consumption. Psychedelics are just as close to Devil as they are to God. Just to clarify, I don't believe in either of them. I believe in nature and universe, might sound a bit far fetched, but in the end that's what everything is about. |
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wicc@
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Posted : Jul 23, 2005 01:45
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yezzzzzzzz ma friend shamanizer
good to read wats in ma mind....
in other words.......
(also cure r necrolovers blahhhhhhhhhhhhh)
Our Scene iz the bEst kiddoS!!!!!!!!!!!on earth
we are the future, the progress, the purity
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jul 23, 2005 03:39
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Hey the God/Devil duality is just a metaphor for a dynamic creative opposition current that runs through life. Like a battery. + and - terminals. I think our souls are like that too and its the constant play between the light and the dark inside our hearts that makes the current of lifeforce that runs inside us.
BTW really good comments on this last page here this thread has come a long long way from where it was a few weeks ago.
@Desert Storm:
>>>>is evil bad if you are evil for the right reasons? if you use evil to accomplish good then isnt that the same thing<<<<
If you find the answer let me know. Im still not decided on this isssue. However I would suggest that you study President Bush and the history of the CIA for some good reasons not to think in this way.
Peace out all
Psycho Cosmos
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Kitnam
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>>>>is evil bad if you are evil for the right reasons? if you use evil to accomplish good then isnt that the same thing<<<<
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no! the way of good is small and hard. humans are too stupid to use dangerous forces in the right way, no one is able to see if the results of his doing are for something "good", he is subjective only, he is not able to see the full-range of the causality between his activity and the world.
anyways evil, devil, etc, its just words some freaks picked up to seperate all the colorfull spectrum of the realtity into black and white, because they where confused of complexity and duality of our world and tried to minimize it into parts which can be handled by a primitive human brain.
so evil is just a very abstract describtion of a sum of primitive human emotions, and its also very stupid to follow something like an evil or to fight against something like that. because it just doenst exist in the form who would like to see.
and about bush: he uses such words very well, and we can see how easy people are manipulated, because the dont want politicans who tell them, that our world is complex and polyexistent, the want people like bush who make it easy and seperate the world into good and bad, its easier for primitive non-reflecting humans to follow such a comic-picture of the world instead realy thinking deep about the complex causalities.
and this is maybe evil in such words. its just stupid in my eyes. the human race is sent to be stupid. and they will ever be.
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Aldus B
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On 2005-07-18 13:51, goa-ganges wrote:
I will tell you guys a strange, terrifying history I heard two or three years ago. I don't know the people involved in this case - but it's true, I saw the SOS in the net.
Four friends went to a small open-air psy party, thing is that all the the DJS were playing these tracks we're talking about: Werewolf, Satan's Presence and others with sad titles like these. At one point in this party, they started feeling pretty bad, as if a mist of bad energy was around the dancefloor. Then, some guys started howling like a wolves and they got in crowd madness altogether. The SOS I saw in a chat-room dedicated to religion was from one of the four friends asking everybody to help him, because he was having nightmares with werewolves and when he would wake up, he said he could feel something in the room with him. And all of them had the same feeling. This guy seemed to be the worst one, because he felt panicked when this dark energy was near him and he couldn't go to any places with shadows or lacking electric light - he said he was starting to see things moving lowly in the dark.
You may not believe this, but I do. All styles of music are energy carriers. If you feel happiness when you hear a positive track, you may feel the contrary with dark, or evil tracks.
Take care my friends. This world has a lot of things that we don't know yet, or understand. And it's dangerous to deal with it...
Peace and Love.
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There must be at least a small part of you that realizes how ridiculous this sounds. I have felt an evil presence in my room a few times. I have even woken up at night and been frozen and there were dark, shadowy creatures attacking me and/or standing at the foot of my bed, staring at me. This is called a hypnogogic hallucionation. It has been around since the beginning of recorded history. I think in old Europe they used to call it "old hag syndrom". Basically, the hypnogogic state is the state between being fully awake and being fully asleep. Most people slip through the hypnogogic state in a few seconds, but some people can get stuck there. The body falls asleep, but the mind stays awake and becomes terrified. You feel like there is a evil presence and you may even see or hear it and it may attack you. It is not real. It is a neurological misfire that is found most often in people with panic disorder and highly artistic people. So, when this happened did I assume that I was being possessed by the Devil? Hell no (no pun intended). Anyone who is feeble enough to truly believe that words in dance music about mythical monsters will cause them to be attacked by werewolves, vampires, or whatever else they have convinced themselves exists has no business going to psychedelic parties anyway. They are only speeding up the process of being locked away in an asylum which will probably happen to them eventually anyway. People, you don't HAVE to believe in these things you cannot see. There are logical explanations for them. Primitive people may have not been able to comprehend these things but this is the 21st century! I was just reading about how recently a schizophrenic women in Romania was crucified (yes, CRUCIFIED) to exercise the demons. She died on the cross, by the way, but her soul was saved! Isn't it time we stop basing our lives around the ancient fears of primitive people? Or was I just born a couple hundred years to early? |
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Gopendragon
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Well I believe that satan and that evil stuff sells much
and the most of those do it to promotte their work as something weird.What the fashion stream commands?But there a few artist who might be envolved in black magic(not nessecery satanic)or voodoo by making a special effect back to the unconcious mind with hidden and covered digital dark messages on their music.Victims are those who are new and weak and specially under the influnce of a halucinogenic substance were the mind is wide opened and much sensitive.When the music is very loud with high kw system the listener or dancer is under the control of the sounds specially as we dance we follow a certain sound scape path that lead us with high speed through a spiritual meditative way and conciousnes reaching such an altered states,and that could be dangerous because if your mind is so expanded and travelled such a long distances in space and time out of body then it could be lost and not be able to get back and land again up to the earthly body.
Here comes shamanism,cabbalism,paganism, to give a shelter to those who follow each different sound and keep their soul and spirit strong enouph to defeat such powerfull black magic energies that may get control of body mind and soul...
...be carefull guys nothing is incident by luck until it became an accident...
we must get a shelter program to defeat our minds and been prepared for each different evil dark sound...
...I have seen many possesed people...dont let the spirit of wolf get control uppon your soul mind and bodie,be the wolf and suck wolf's energy power to be the master of sensations able to lead your soul through the spirit world(shamanic secret)...dont be slave of...wear a demonic mask to defeat dark spirits...and find a spirit for help to guide you to the unknown other world mystical places...beware...  ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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wicc@
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alsO,
such a name iz som gurantee of killer track..
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CrunchiMonkey
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existential logic vs ancient wisdom...
*ding ding*
FIGHT!
Galileo, Newton and Einstien taught me a lot, but the mushies taught me more
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kriz
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Very interesting (t)read..
I just cant believe that so many people here believes in all the media propaganda against satanism and occult stuff..
The guy talking about the torture videos in a party sounds really strange, this is not something you will find dark psylovers would like!!
Its all about the change from dark to light, to dance to the hard sounds and release all the power you got inside ..
For me its very difficult to explain these feelings, but other have done it, so beutiful..
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HandA
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On 2005-07-25 01:04, kriz wrote:
Very interesting (t)read..
I just cant believe that so many people here believes in all the media propaganda against satanism and occult stuff..
The guy talking about the torture videos in a party sounds really strange, this is not something you will find dark psylovers would like!!
Its all about the change from dark to light, to dance to the hard sounds and release all the power you got inside ..
For me its very difficult to explain these feelings, but other have done it, so beutiful..
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And of course you need devilish symbols to find that "dark" side...cough cough.....rubbish.. it's all in order to sell more Cd's and be "different" and "trendy"... nothing else... one big marketing hoax... kiddo's come to daddy and find the "darkness"...
Funny enough not one person have yet said WHY they use those symbols... You all say you do not worship the devil... well fine... then why do you use those symbols? Would it not be more than enough just to make that "dark" music without those symbols?
The symbols make many people associate you with devil cult worshippers. I am sure that's not what you want to be associated with? or?
So why not loose the symbols and just make that "dark" music? Seem more logic to me...unless you people do worship the devil of course |
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Aldus B
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On 2005-07-25 01:26, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-07-25 01:04, kriz wrote:
Very interesting (t)read..
I just cant believe that so many people here believes in all the media propaganda against satanism and occult stuff..
The guy talking about the torture videos in a party sounds really strange, this is not something you will find dark psylovers would like!!
Its all about the change from dark to light, to dance to the hard sounds and release all the power you got inside ..
For me its very difficult to explain these feelings, but other have done it, so beutiful..
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And of course you need devilish symbols to find that "dark" side...cough cough.....rubbish.. it's all in order to sell more Cd's and be "different" and "trendy"... nothing else... one big marketing hoax... kiddo's come to daddy and find the "darkness"...
Funny enough not one person have yet said WHY they use those symbols... You all say you do not worship the devil... well fine... then why do you use those symbols? Would it not be more than enough just to make that "dark" music without those symbols?
The symbols make many people associate you with devil cult worshippers. I am sure that's not what you want to be associated with? or?
So why not loose the symbols and just make that "dark" music? Seem more logic to me...unless you people do worship the devil of course
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Maybe some labels do that to sell records, but I think most do it as a rebellion against mental conformity, which all of you who are acting so offended are buying right into. Nothing could be farther from psychedelic, my friend.
Is putting pictures of devils on cds silly? Maybe, but no more silly than having pictures of Shiva or aliens on cds, and we've all seen plenty of that. By the way, if by "devilish symbols" you were referring to the pentagram, it might interest you to know that the pentagram has been around a lot longer than the church of satan.
Here are some links for you if you didn't know...
http://www.mastersjewel.com/masons/symbols/star.htm
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/THE_PENTAGRAM/id/51389
To all you who are offended by symbols of satanism on cds: Are you afraid? Are you afraid that whoever you worship is going to hand you over to a horned beast if you buy the new Para Halu cd? Has being part of this beautiful psychedelic scene freed you from nothing yet?
I hope I'm not coming across as hostile, because I'm not feeling that way. I just want to make sure you actually think about what you are saying. |
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DJSarasin
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