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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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EYB
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 19:18
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On 2005-07-07 18:42, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-07-07 17:27, offthenutboom wrote:
Otherwise you will have to live with the titles. They are here to stay and to even get much more twisted and evil. I think the chidish one is you mate, so fuck off with this censorship thread. If you can't take it, I will visit you @ the mental hospital. The "trance scene" is not only about flower power. Like Dante's walk into hell, you must first see evil in other to achieve enlightment. Then the devil will not sneak upon you and stab you in the back.
BOM!
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It's sad to see that some kids in this forum lack the abilty to debate without attacking people!
This is my last comment in a debate thats been twisted by "upset" kids and people that cant handle a normal debate.
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LOL, ok all the 'kids' fault that can't handle a normal debate.
But where is the normal debate?
Whats ur part HandA? What are u saying? What do u want to express?
That all people that name their songs like 'South of hell' are devil worshippers?
U know already the answer, they are not.
So why can't u accept it? Why do u still talking like mister 'i know it all, u are the bad and i am the only good guy'?
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 20:29
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On 2005-07-07 18:42, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-07-07 17:27, offthenutboom wrote:
Otherwise you will have to live with the titles. They are here to stay and to even get much more twisted and evil. I think the chidish one is you mate, so fuck off with this censorship thread. If you can't take it, I will visit you @ the mental hospital. The "trance scene" is not only about flower power. Like Dante's walk into hell, you must first see evil in other to achieve enlightment. Then the devil will not sneak upon you and stab you in the back.
BOM!
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It's sad to see that some kids in this forum lack the abilty to debate without attacking people!
This is my last comment in a debate thats been twisted by "upset" kids and people that cant handle a normal debate.
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What are you talking about Handa. You started a topic with no fundamentals, with no sense and no facts. You have received 16 pages of different points of views from the people that actually make those titles. As I said it is you own innability to break out of your lil tiny box that is working against you here. So, yes cover you eyes, your ears and please your mouth  I really feel sorry for you for not being able to be mature enough and accept your own close mind and fears.
Kids?... You might be surprised Handa. Apart from being a close minded censor, you also patronize ppl you do not even know. I just hope for yourself, you have some positive qualities outside this categorically childish subject. |
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damage
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 00:09
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but i think some interesting info has been exposed on this topic, and if you judge people, then you are just as narrow minded |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 01:26
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Mr. Damage, we have tried all angles to get one liner responses. After 14 pages of info from the ppl who are actually producing and creating this titles it is a fact that we are talking to a wall. I mean there has been artists, label managers who have created this comps and titled the tracks who have tried to explain the reason why the did what the did.
It remains the same answer, the same attitude, to the point that it feels like we are talking to a kid who just does not want to listen. The reality of these artists and label managers has been exposed and he is still attached to his opinion.
Isn't it childish... I am not saying he is childish all the time, but his attitude in this thread. Aren't statements like "But I dont think demons and devils are the right thing for this scene.. what would be the next thing? Backdrops with pentagrams, hexagrams and evil demon faces? And parties where we would go to be scared and educated about the evils side of life? I dont think so! This is not the way to go!" or "As I have said before. If someone use a "evil" track title once or twice then I will assume it's for fun etc. But if you as an artists use evil titles with references to Demons, The Devil, satanism in each and every one of your tracks then I can only assume one thing. That you either pratice satanism or are attracted to it." seems pretty ignorant to me.
What would he do in Halloween, dress like an angel? I mean are the ppl in Halloween devil worshipers. Theatricals, themes stablish a mood, like titles create the mood of the track. The clear analogy are horror movies. The producers, writes, etc... are not devil worshipers. They create a mood and a experience which provoque a state of horror, where ppl either they conquer their fears or is frightened. Yes, we pay for this . If they audience do not like to be frightened, then can make the decision to not go. But, should we say that horror movies titles have no place in our society? I think this is just bollocks and narrow minded. Should we create a completly antiseptic experience ignoring evil, fear and danger? Isn't this a part of the human experience?
The information in the thread is very interesting. It has unveiled a reality that could not be further from the statement that initiated the thread. I mean you do not have to be evil to title a track with an evil name. That is like calling Stephen King an evil worshiper.
IMHO I am not judging, on the contrary I am just hoping he has a better side. I just give him the benefit of the doubt, because we know what happens with this type of communication (forums, email, etc) and the inferences that can occur. But I just was upset to his indiference and close mindedness.
Maybe I just remember a time when music was music, and evil titles, mystical titles and any title was not subject to inquisition and ignorant accusations to their creators. I thought we were artists and imagination was the limit... whatever direction it might take.
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damage
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 14:00
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ok offthenutboom, i understand what you are saying, but if they don`t want to change their point of view, then just drop it. they have the right to have their own reality. there is lots of difirent cultures and races on this forum, so most of us will always disagree with eachother`s opinions. learn to respect this rather than fighting it.
anyway. if an artist is attracted to these kind of things, then it`s ok. i have no problem with it. it opens doors to a better understanding of the way things are... |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 14:56
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On 2005-07-08 01:26, offthenutboom wrote:
Mr. Damage, we have tried all angles to get one liner responses. After 14 pages of info from the ppl who are actually producing and creating this titles it is a fact that we are talking to a wall. I mean there has been artists, label managers who have created this comps and titled the tracks who have tried to explain the reason why the did what the did.
It remains the same answer, the same attitude, to the point that it feels like we are talking to a kid who just does not want to listen. The reality of these artists and label managers has been exposed and he is still attached to his opinion.
Isn't it childish... I am not saying he is childish all the time, but his attitude in this thread. Aren't statements like "But I dont think demons and devils are the right thing for this scene.. what would be the next thing? Backdrops with pentagrams, hexagrams and evil demon faces? And parties where we would go to be scared and educated about the evils side of life? I dont think so! This is not the way to go!" or "As I have said before. If someone use a "evil" track title once or twice then I will assume it's for fun etc. But if you as an artists use evil titles with references to Demons, The Devil, satanism in each and every one of your tracks then I can only assume one thing. That you either pratice satanism or are attracted to it." seems pretty ignorant to me.
What would he do in Halloween, dress like an angel? I mean are the ppl in Halloween devil worshipers. Theatricals, themes stablish a mood, like titles create the mood of the track. The clear analogy are horror movies. The producers, writes, etc... are not devil worshipers. They create a mood and a experience which provoque a state of horror, where ppl either they conquer their fears or is frightened. Yes, we pay for this . If they audience do not like to be frightened, then can make the decision to not go. But, should we say that horror movies titles have no place in our society? I think this is just bollocks and narrow minded. Should we create a completly antiseptic experience ignoring evil, fear and danger? Isn't this a part of the human experience?
The information in the thread is very interesting. It has unveiled a reality that could not be further from the statement that initiated the thread. I mean you do not have to be evil to title a track with an evil name. That is like calling Stephen King an evil worshiper.
IMHO I am not judging, on the contrary I am just hoping he has a better side. I just give him the benefit of the doubt, because we know what happens with this type of communication (forums, email, etc) and the inferences that can occur. But I just was upset to his indiference and close mindedness.
Maybe I just remember a time when music was music, and evil titles, mystical titles and any title was not subject to inquisition and ignorant accusations to their creators. I thought we were artists and imagination was the limit... whatever direction it might take.
BOM!
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I think it's much more childish to write such a long rant because you cant accept my opinion. I wrote earlier that I now understand that most of those who use evil titles or use the devil symbols dont worship anything. They just use the symbols even though i then dont really understand what the purpose is to use them when they dont belive in them - but that's another debate.
But my intention of this debate have been so twisted and bend by people trying to make this a personal battle because they feel personal offended that somone dare to say what he think about these titles and symbols. And they have tried to make it a war about the music instead of the titles which were my only debate. NOT the music!
You wont find one post of mine that attack anyone here personally. I debate about a direction I find weird, out of place and now that i know the use of the symbols and track titles aren't even that serious meant then I see it as nothing but dumb smart promotion to make kids listen to the music.
Just as some use drugs to promote their music etc. All in the name of CD sale.
I have seen many many posts here directly attacking me because those that like these titles and symbols feel personal offended and cant debate without calling me names and become personal...
Now who's the childish here?
I hope you now see it from my side and that you will be grown enough to stop your name calling and debate ina rational polite manner even though I doubt it.
And to those sending me private insulting messages. Keep doing it. They get deleted immediately so you've waste a lot of time and anger. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 17:56
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Damage,
I understand. I mean I am not trying to force anything down the throat of anybody. But, in this case I am just passionate about what I say because this is not the first discussion which tries to isolate a style of music and a group of artists. I mean I just do not understand this cruzade. How many times are we going to deconstruct our experience, catalog, segregate. I understand if someone does not like it, but to go out of their way to destroy it. I think, although some would just want to let it go, this is worth to explain, discuss etc...
Handa,
I am sorry you feel that way. I apologize if you think I hate you, but this is not the first post you take a draconian position against night time music. I mean you say it is not the music, but on other threads you shred it. I am not ranting. As I said this way of communicating leads to inferences since you can't see the other persons non verbal communication or hear voice tone. So, I apologize for the name calling, but I though I made a point on why did I call you that.... Now I know I was wrong in the approach.
I do not even think it is a marketing tecnique. We are curious by nature. I order to see the light you have to understand darkness. It is a part of human nature. You must understand what stop us from trancending. The mythology behind this barriers is spreaded through all cultures and societies of this beautiful planet. Why not psy trance. I mean I learned something about evil faeries with the Misstress of Evil comp... it is knowledge and wisdom.
In the moment you think that someone is a devil worshiper because of a group of ill fated assumptions... aren't you attacking them personally? You did not get all this -ve energy by chance. I hope you understand that. You triggered something with one of you actions. I mean ppl would not feel personal if they did not felt you did not get peronal with them. What comes around, goes around. Maybe it wasn't your intention, maybe it was the way you presented things... then result is that you are scrambling to delete hate emails and you have lost many posible friends.
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 18:12
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I don't personally care for psychotic and agressive "psytanic" vibes - the death metal track titles, and the angry faces on the dancefloor that usually go with it.
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s0ft
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 19:03
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Lithium
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 19:20
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On 2005-07-08 19:03, s0ft wrote:
everyone belongs everywhere and anywhere they want. and if anyone tells you differently, sacrifice them.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 19:51
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ooh, 'psytanic', I like that word.. thanks, Brett. 
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jul 8, 2005 21:18
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005
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Yeeeeeeah or do pop stars belong to the trance scene !? ..sniffing coke while djing in Goa GMS playing all night bouncy trance while calling it psy trance and then printed at the bottom of the poster "NO FREAKS ALLOWED AT THE PARTY THAT KIND OF MUSIC WILL NOT BE PLAYED, SO PLEASE STAY OFF GROUND" !!!
TO FILL UP A PARTY WITH SO MANY TOURISTS PREACHING THIS PSY TRANCE WHILE THEY ARE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING DIFFERENT !
DO THIS KIND OF PEOLPE BELONG IN THE SCENE !
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 9, 2005 00:59
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I believe that ther is room in the scene for everyone as long as everone realizes that this scene is meant for people to enjoy themselves. Personally I feel what doesn't belong here is people that are not tolerant of others views. It's fine if there are aspects of this broad genre that people do not enjoy, but that's where there is such a variety of substyles for people to choose from.
The fake plur comment peacespect mentioned is one I have noticed a lot, especially here... It seems that people have no problems with anyone that shares the same view as them or has conformed to their idea of the status quo. However should someone project an idea that is contrary to what the offended individual percieves as being correct, then such topics get raised and many allegations whether founded or not get thrown around like water balloons. I am not the biggest fan of lots of track names, for my own reasons, however that still doesn't give me the right to make an assumption about the people who write the music or title their tracks or name their label. It's all about personal perspective. I realize what I may view on a situation might not be viewed by others like that and as such I make it a point not to put too much stock into it. With this genre music, there is so much emphasis put into uniting each other, it's almost laughable how much dissonance occurs over a situation that is sheerly a difference of perception. If you don't like the messages you perceive from the artists, labels, or track titles, you are more than welcome to abstain from supporting those things that you feel offend you, but to tear it down because it doesn't fit with your ideal doesn't seem fair to those who choose not be affected by such things. I could make some interesting and probably offensive correlations between this behavior and certain groups of people (don't worry HandA, I wasn't going to make any allegation that you were antisemetic) but that would be me exuding the same fake plur that I have an issue with. You have your views, I have mine. Let's just agree to disagree and continue to do our own things. The only time we are hurting each other is when we go out of our way to discredit each other. It's fine to have a difference of opinion, but when we are forcing our opinion on each other, nobody is actually listening to what the other has to say or how we sound when we say what we say.
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jul 9, 2005 02:31
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believe it or not guys this means LOVE in sign language. : Panaiz *25 Motorbrain :
PSYPRUS MADNESS_OUT NOW ! |
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