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DJ Technique in psy trance

Pyite
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Posted : Sep 30, 2003 17:52
I personally prefer cds for full on and vinyl for progressive. Neither one is easier than the other IMO. They are just different.

And a fun "game" for all you guys out there.

Mix a fairly minimal type set--Lots of percussive elements etc. Burn it to cd, and then just run it through a channel of your mixer and mix another more melodic set using the other channels, ie--no crossfader, over top.

It is like 4 decks at once. I've never heard them do it (yet), but Kri and Blue Spectral Monkey mix on 4 decks at once. It is incredibly easy to get a really muddy sound, but if you're careful about what you mix in and where, it can sound incredibly cool. Just tossing in ambient noise stuff or a well placed sample can be really groovy. Of course if you're really a masochist you can mix 3 beatmatched decks at once, but if I do that for more than 30 minutes my brain turns to goop.

I'd like to "battle" another psy dj, but alas, here in Georgia psy djs are few and far between. So this is as close as I get.
duodenumz
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Posted : Oct 1, 2003 00:14
"is it just cos they don't know anything better?or is it cos they actually dont care about the mixing quality as long as it's loud and they can consume drugs??????"

well, one thing to keep in mind is that most crowds don't have trained ears like you.

i have been spinning for 4.5 years, and have reached the point where i can beatmatch a track in 2 bars most of the time. i can hear VERY small mistakes now, and guess what? when i listen to the mixes i used to worship, many of them are quite loose. and when i listen to MY old mixes? scary stuff. what once sounded tight now sounds loose as hell.

you simply don't hear the mistakes until you've trained your brain. i have taught a couple mates how to mix, and they had trouble hearing total trainwrecks when i demonstrated them. we're talking completely off.

but people should expect more from DJs, and they can understand the idea of sequencing, matching gain, and other less technical aspects. i think they choose not to because there's so much DJ worship in dance music.
serotonot


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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 11:10
Quote:

On 2003-09-30 05:09, snowflake wrote:
allot of ppl in the dancefloor are happy about it as well...
is it just cos they don't know anything better?or is it cos they actually dont care about the mixing quality as long as it's loud and they can consume drugs??????



Ppl are happy in the dancefloor because they've come to party to have fun. What's the use to let a bad dj ruin the feeling. I myself have noticed that the crowd maybe doesn't know when your mixing sucks, or they've got used to it already, but when you play a killer set with proper mixing and progression you can see how ppl go nuts without even knowing what got into them. For me that is the best part of mixing. Doing something they might not even know their influenced to and slowly take them more and more inside that tale or a journey while they get more and more excited.

My two cents here
Maska
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Posted : Oct 3, 2003 19:13
Hey man. You can't generalize talents like that. House/tech trance/house are boring and are more ego driven styles of music, so in order for it to sound good, you have to display your mixing ability, so everyone can see it and know how good you are.
In Psytrance, you are great if people really can't tell you are mixing, because it flows so well. The greats in Psytrance create a story with their sets. Also to say that there are too many sounds to really mix is rediculous. Intertwining each melody is how it's done and is what sets the greats apart from the rest. Try telling Dino Psaras that you can't really mix crazy full on Psytrance, because there are too many sounds. Each genre has it's greats, mediocre's and not so greats. To generlize like that is to be closed minded. Open your minds and judge not on what you believe to be true, but what you see to be true.
Toxical(rotem)
Toxical

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Posted : Oct 7, 2003 17:58
here is what i think... well i think that HOuse an Techno DJ Techniq are alot more lets say improtent in adj set of house or techno than
in psy set.. becous i belive that in trance its not how he mix the tracks, its about the music that he gives, if the music is good but not the mixes than the ppl on the dance floor wont dance?? i dont think so ... they will dance no matter the mix...           PsyTrance The sound track of our life...
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 07:02
If there's no alternative, then yes, they will dance to bad mixing DJ. If there's an alternative, they won't.
Borris
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:00
what rotem says is right, and this is exactly why I'm playing less and less trance and more and more techno parties nowdays.

I don't play trance killers, i play music that i belive is interesting. i do long intricate mixes but it seems the people don't care, they only want "killer" trax and thats it.           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
Progression Sessions of the 3rd Empire!
tom anteater
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:27
ahh borris you are under appreciated my friend

for my part i have thought for a long time now and am now putting it into practice that to _dj_ house and breaks is a lot more interesting than psy trance.. whether or not anyone wants to listen is another matter, but i am much happier to play in 2nd rooms where i can experiment and have some fun than be constrained to bang out the new killers with 10 sec. mixing which anyone can learn in a couple of weeks...           >>love will tear us apart...<<
Zombi
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 17:26
to sum it up - stop kill, start build (up).           Believe your soul !
mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Oct 10, 2003 21:42
Personally, I abhor the whole "soft mix" approach that a lot of psytrance djs use.. It actually infuriates me even more when producers do it.... I have seen some djs who have done incredible things on two cd players. I make it a point to beat mix every track that I play and I incorporate beat juggling and other non-scratch turntablist tricks into my sets.... it actually makes the dancefloor go pretty crazy most of the time. Psytrance is very full of craziness, but as a dj your job is to provide a smooth transition from song to song and add your own particular flavor to each song.... Soft mixing I think is one of those last resort type escapes when you can't get the beats lined up and you're running out of time.... Other than that I prefer to do 2 1/2 minute mixes as often as possible. It really does depend on each track though. Some of them will have drops in the last minute that totally throws your rhythm off.... A good dj knows how to adjust for anything that song does. Another thing that bothers me a bit about djs in general are the ones that can match their beats but have no clue on their phrasing. So the measures would never change at the same time.... With psytrance, there are tracks in which the phrasing will deliberately shift. One particular artist for example is notorious for it "Grapes Of Wrath" . As a dj you need to be able to take tha phase shift and make it work to where the shift will come into time and stay in phrase with the track you are mixing out of. If that means you have to start your song on count 28 or 32, so be it... Just as long as your transition is smooth. It's all about knowing your music.

One of my favorite psytrance djs is Dimitri (G.B.U.) He has stellar beatmatching skills and he uses the eq. I haven't seen him even close to sounding like he was losing a mix... Another one of my current favorites is Anneli from Mechanik Sound Records... That girl has uberskills!!! Beatmatch on the drop of a hat, 3+ minute mixes, and plays with the crossfader too!!! All I have to say is Whoa!!! She played a set out near San Francisco and just tore it up!!! I was playing directly after her and I seriously had to rethink my set and what tricks I wanted to pull just to keep up with her.... If you ever get the opportunity to see her, do so...

I have pulled 2 records and 1 cd at the same time, but that was at a small club where it didn't matter if i wrecked... I haven't gotten the gumption to try it when I'm playing a party... It is my ultimate goal to have 4 going at the same time....

So in conclusion, I can understand how house and techno djs say that psytrance djs aren't as good, but there are plenty of horrible house and techno djs that just mix off of the breakdown in their records too...(I used to play "cybertrance" before I knew how to beatmatch) There are good djs and bad djs no matter what style you play, and it is up to the crowd to let the dj know if he isn't doin' it for them...           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Borris
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Posted : Oct 10, 2003 23:09
Hey mubali, glad to hear, I've been doing some beat juggling myself.

What is Cyber Trance??           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Oct 17, 2003 01:50
Hey Dr. Borris, Have you ever heard of Mars and Mystere?? Cybertrance was very very popular in San Francisco around 2000-2001. It was 140-145 bpm trance that was very formatted and usually had an epic breakdown with anthematic synth lines. It was very uplifting trance and usually the parties that featured that kind of music had a plethora of "candy kids". These were young adults ranging from 15-21 that wore these beaded bracelets, referred to as candy. They wore them like 1980's rap stars wore gold chains. Cybertrance was a kind of music that tended to analogue an ecstasy high by it's structure... Had lots of epic breakdowns, big builds for a peak point. And 98% of the songs used the simple opposing bassline for the songs.... It was cybertrance that made me want to listen to jungle.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
djsid
Aghori Tantrik

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Posted : Oct 17, 2003 13:32
any1 herd instant buddha's sets..hes mixing techno with psytrance and still sounds nice and psychedelic!           aGh0Ri TanTriK
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Chi
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Posted : Oct 17, 2003 14:04
Can you give examples of cybertrance artists, so i can take a listen?
DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 17, 2003 23:19
Mars and Mystre - not sure if they're still kicking, though.

I think that's who Mubali was talking about. It's really similar to the 'epic' style of trance. They used to sell that stuff (all Frequency-8 releases) at our local Colorado record store as "Psytrance." Tells you a little bit about where I live. Psy DJs have no choice but be technically proficient here - I am talking about perfect beatmatching, long mixing, fader juggling, the whole nine yards. In the US a lot of the time it's a mixed crowd - some psy folk, but some are not. And people will leave if the DJ is sloppy. Oh yeah.

cheers
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