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full_on
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 06:28
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Yes, Megadeth once ruled. The hole Rust in Peace stuff. And in their shows, no fights, only good guitars riffs... But they are dead. And now, I'm dying for Step by Step, Bamboo Forest...
Metal may sound more agressive, cause of the lyrics and the way they are sang. It's difficult to imagine psytrance tracks with themes like politics, corruption, free violence and the like...
IMO in no way metal = satanic // trance = divine. We must be beyond good and evil, because what is evil for a person, is good to another one. There is no universal moral.
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shahar
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 10:53
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Well, few things.
First, Rock is a bit more than Heavy Metal, and Heavy Metal is a bit more than Trash/Death/Speed Metal. And there's Punk & Punk rock as well.
All have diverse themes, some deeper (Black Sabbath, f.e.) some shalower (Twisted Sister, f.e.).
So I think Acidmantra, that you're generelizing too much.
However, I do feel that the energies are different to a certain extent. I remember that when I started to listen to trance, I was quite amazed that I couldn't but feel it was music created from happiness. When I thought about it I realized that usually art comes from different emotions, not always but often. Sadness, anger, frustration- not joy. I liked that a lot. As someone who used to walk with a T-Shirt saying "Anger is a gift", it was quite a revelation to me, and these days I think anger is an obstacle.
This is not as true anymore because there are different emotions put into the music as more and more people in different stages in their lives are making trance. But that's just fine.
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And to get out all your aggressions in your music can be very positive, thus it might help you to get them out of your system, instead of putting them on to other people.
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True, Ulf. Though I think it does matter what do you do with this aggression- do you multiply it by creating more aggression, or do you disolve it as personal filter through your music, or make other people disolve their aggression, or even better convert it to positive energy. I believe the first is very easy thing to do- the second is harder and the third is much much harder. So Rage Against the Machine still have a strong nostalgic factor for me, and I can still appreciate certain aspects in their music, but I don't hold much with what they did- they made many people angry- I think we have enough anger- I don't think it was constructive, however well done.
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So, stop the 'hindhu-god-swearing-crap' and get in to your leather jacket and bang your head!!!
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Calling other people's beliefs and customs crap is not very nice. And every time you bang your head you loose 250 brain cells (which is why headbangers are generally dumb  ).
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shahar
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 10:56
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On 2003-02-25 18:00, Ohmem wrote:
things like Black Sabath, Iron Maiden (the early work, 'till Piece of Mind), Deep Purple... (I'm 33 years old, btw.) I enjoyed the power of the music but when it came to the message... I was on to something different like Pink Floyd, Bowie, Beatles, Love, Leonard Cohen.
Later on bands like Voivod & Napalm Death were introduced to me, but I was in a gothic mood by then. The thing for me was Joy Division, Bauhaus, Siouxie, Cure, Sisters of Mercy. |
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Well, I can say I went pretty much through a a same musical development, And I can identify with that.
And on the note of Black Sabbath, I still listen to it quite often, especially early Black Sabbath, which I hold as the most amazing dark psychedelic music ever made.
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Ulf:G
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 13:45
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Calling other people's beliefs and customs crap is not very nice. |
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Sorry there, but that was just my reply, since acidmantra called metall-music satanic and destructive.
And since he stated:
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havent seen anybody gettin in fights in trance parties and all have a divine smiles on their faces // rock shows are not complete without fights nd bruises on u nd others |
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which made me even more pissed off, since I've never been in trouble at any heavy metall nor punk consert, thus I have attended trance-parties that have been stopped because someone did wave a gun around (and to make it worse, that dude was probably a dope-dealer and/or user).
And to the part with the aggression:
That is just my personal view on the subject.
Deal with your aggressions, or else they will grow inside you. If you get them out in any form (preferably not ON anyone) will probably make you feel better.
I remember a few years back, when I was working as a teachers assistant at the local sound engineering school, a drum-set that saved me from being aggressive more than once (since I was a pretty angry young man back then).
Every time I felt tension, stress or anger, I would just grab the sticks, and beat the living shit out of the allready dead leather on the drums! =)
And it worked. Instead of putting my aggression out on anyone in my near surrounding, I put it on the drums.
And about the headbaning, you should not generalize headbangers of being stupid.
I have a lot of "headbanging" friends that are brighter and smarter than average, lots of them carries MSc or BSc titles in different engineering areas.
Well, it was nice to get this out in the open.
Now I will continue washing my dishes. =(
Bye!
/Ulf.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 14:00
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I have seen plenty of people getting into fights a psy/goa parties. Heck even I have been attacked by morons that wanted to steal my music while I was playing. And I have seen plenty of people without "divine smiles" on their faces. |
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Ulf:G
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 14:16
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Oh, and I forgot...
If you want true "divine" music, with nothing but lovin' in it's message?
Try Barry White......
Great reproducing muzak!
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Zombi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 14:22
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i was at trance party where one guy was simple shuted by other, into the club itself, as u undestand this place no more exist, and this guy too 
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 15:07
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what's "shuted"?
REHAB is for quitters |
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 16:17
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shot.
also, ulf here has said somthing i think none of you took notice in - he said people regard headbangers as not-so bright peeps. he also mentioned thatmany of his headbanging friends have MDs and such.
what you people here are forgetting, is that trance people are stigmatized in the exact same way, perhaps even worse, yet there are people out there with law degrees, PhDs, and various titles who enjoy trance. why should rock be any different?
shahar has given us a more broad spectrum here on the generes of rock, and i agree with him, to an extent. I like happy music. I Like energetic music. but i also like aggressive music, somthing to kick it in. so yes, many rock groupies are in it for the "pain, suffering, mutilating my neighbours' kittens", but not all of them, just like not all trance-heads are stoned out delusional freak hippies.
it's time to stop with comparissions which don't do justice to either sides. I think it's wrong to categorize and classify and putting somthing in a little box. i love both rock and trance. to say somthing is satanic and the other is divine? that's errant rubbish, imo. "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Vicky
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Posted : Mar 1, 2003 07:38
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hello Jason - nice feedback - 'errant rubbish'
u misunderstood me friend- its just the feeling i am talking about and not saying it is truly 'SATANIC' ,, similarly if i say 'DIVINE' do u think tht i mean anybody who listens to trance goes to heaven?? Its just the feeling dear.
Did i mention newhere that satanic is bad and divine is good - its in your mind dear. i was just talkin bout the themes. i waz into trash metal nd now into trance, tht dosent mean tht i have completely stopped listenin to trash - i do have my collection nd do enjoy it sometimes.
As i had mentioned that this is just what i feel and might be very individual in nature. I dont mean to impose on neone. Yes, u mite very well feel tht my views are wrong -so wat? very individual in nature and u have all the rites to disagree with me 
Ulf- yes i agree my view on fights in parties nd rock shows might be wrong - u know ppl have their views based on their experiences - if you have experienced nd seen fights - then it was wrong on my part to generalise it. didnt want to get ppl pissed off 
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 1, 2003 11:48
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On 2003-02-28 13:45, Ulf:G wrote:
And about the headbaning, you should not generalize headbangers of being stupid.
I have a lot of "headbanging" friends that are brighter and smarter than average, lots of them carries MSc or BSc titles in different engineering areas.
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There was a smile behind that sentence Ulf- used to bang my head quite a lot when I was younger (though I still think sometimes that I used to be smarter...).
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
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"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Mar 1, 2003 13:26
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blah i'm not following you guys...
who are the headbangers?
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djsid
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Posted : Mar 3, 2003 21:05
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On 2003-02-25 20:00, full_on wrote:
The best thing metal has over psytrance, and that psytrance will never have, are lyrics. Some good lyrics. Else than this, we can compare both styles, respecting their individuality.
And at real good melodic/progressive metal concerts (like Dream Theater, Rhapsody, etc...) there are no fights. There are lots of people singing together with the vocalist, and jumping like madness. And much less drugs around (except for the alcohol)...
Respect!
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i totally disagree that having no lyrics in a disadvantage of trance..
BCOZ u dont need any in this genre..everything is conveyed in a much more soulfull and direct manner in form emotional melodies, agressive basslines,progressive basslines and the other elements of trance..
nope i never hav experienced such a teleportation of ideas in any other form of muzik..its sort of a new technology of communication..
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bansi waz spinning..one moment he made me feel the saddest person on the earth and the next i was dancing on the dancefloor like crazy thinkin the happiest person on earth!!
tell me can u experience such shifts , elevations and random movements of emotions in any other form of muzik?
also, IMO u cant visualize a rock track..whereas in case of psytrance..u can see the muzik in form of synchronized colour patterns..its very tantalizing..
but ofcourse it all depends of u whether u choose to flow with trance and let the energies circulate!!
heh i think im pretty insane at the moment, coz am juss back after meeting a very very psycho dude..hes a rocker and we had a lot of psycho babble..totally insane..at the end we both realised that meaningful talk is meaningless most times but also at the same time meaningless talk can be very meaningful(just like rite now)
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Mar 3, 2003 21:15
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On 2003-03-03 21:05, djsid wrote:
i totally disagree that having no lyrics in a disadvantage of trance..
BCOZ u dont need any in this genre..everything is conveyed in a much more soulfull and direct manner in form emotional melodies, agressive basslines,progressive basslines and the other elements of trance..
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check out proggressive rock and instrumental. namely, Marty Friedman's solo albums, such as Dragon's Kiss (on Shrapnel rec) or Steve Vai's passion and warfare.
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well, that's you. others would beg to differ.
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bansi waz spinning..one moment he made me feel the saddest person on the earth and the next i was dancing on the dancefloor like crazy thinkin the happiest person on earth!!
tell me can u experience such shifts , elevations and random movements of emotions in any other form of muzik?
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again, this is Subjective emotions, not to be confused with the genreal public. that's what YOU are feeling. someone else maybe feeling somthing else entirely.
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also, IMO u cant visualize a rock track..whereas in case of psytrance..u can see the muzik in form of synchronized colour patterns..its very tantalizing..
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again, check out some instrumental rock and metal albums. try gary moore, some blues/rock/metal. dunno, something about the live feel of a guitar solo just does what 10 nord leads can't do artificially, imo.
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Ulf:G
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Posted : Mar 3, 2003 23:02
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heh i think im pretty insane at the moment, coz am juss back after meeting a very very psycho dude..hes a rocker and we had a lot of psycho babble..totally insane..at the end we both realised that meaningful talk is meaningless most times but also at the same time meaningless talk can be very meaningful(just like rite now)
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Yes, I agree... You are totally psycho-babbling right now. Get a grip man... =)
By the way, all you rockers should check out these guy's:
http://www.meshuggah.net/
..and this:
http://drumkit.toontrack.com/
I will get my ribs bruised by the fence in the front of the stage, while these guy's play here in my hometown in a few weeks...
(A moment I've been looking forward to for 2 years now)
/U.
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