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Ashleee
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Posted : May 10, 2006 16:10
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The topic on BPM's got me thinking about this one.
The roots of trance music are with the tribal people. I assume it started in Africa, being the centre of the world and all that. Anyhoo I was wondering if there is any artists or DJ's that play this kind of music which can give you this deep state of trance?
This article here
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/psychedelic_trance/psy_history_introduction.htm
I found to be very interesting
Thanks in advance
Ash
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Skėlp
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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:24
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listen to old old goa trance... new stuff, maybe Psydrop.. it is very deep, at least the Fantasy Seeds album, Miracle Man is more classic full-on..
The article is very good..
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Nathan
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Posted : May 15, 2006 00:13
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Try the New Tegma Album - its all about that.
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Krell
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Posted : May 15, 2006 00:32
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On 2006-05-10 16:10, Ashleee wrote:
The topic on BPM's got me thinking about this one.
The roots of trance music are with the tribal people. I assume it started in Africa, being the centre of the world and all that. Anyhoo I was wondering if there is any artists or DJ's that play this kind of music which can give you this deep state of trance?
This article here
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/psychedelic_trance/psy_history_introduction.htm
I found to be very interesting
Thanks in advance
Ash
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What you are talking about is ritual drumming or shamanic drumming.
Its basicly just the same sound repeating itself again and again with no variation for long time periods (maybe hours or even days).
Its not music as we know it, but just sound and repetition to focus and tune in to so you can achieve deep trance states...
All electronic trance inducing music is created with the intent of being a tool to achieve trance states while dancing, partying and so forth. Just like the ritual drumming, however, as far as I know the music does not open the doors to the really deep trance states.
So - You can say that the more minimal and repetitive you make the music, the deeper the trance can become (depending on the skill of the listener/trancer and the environment).
However, the deep trance states described in the article are not achieved through music, but monotonous non complex repetition of sound.
Our electronic trance music will modulate the more shallow trance states in the listener up & down - So, the interesting thing here is to use the modulation of the trance states in conjunction with the timing of certain moods, attitudes and themes of the tracks.
You might be more receptive to a certain flow of tracks when in a certain trance state, or when moving from one state to another.
No matter how deep a psytrance track may be, it bears little practical resemblance to ritual drumming used to achieve deep trance states.
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Ashleee
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Posted : May 18, 2006 01:51
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ahh riight yeah cool thanks 
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Rah
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Posted : May 18, 2006 02:37
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What you are talking about is ritual drumming or shamanic drumming.
Its basicly just the same sound repeating itself again and again with no variation for long time periods (maybe hours or even days).
Its not music as we know it, but just sound and repetition to focus and tune in to so you can achieve deep trance states...
All electronic trance inducing music is created with the intent of being a tool to achieve trance states while dancing, partying and so forth. Just like the ritual drumming, however, as far as I know the music does not open the doors to the really deep trance states.
So - You can say that the more minimal and repetitive you make the music, the deeper the trance can become (depending on the skill of the listener/trancer and the environment).
However, the deep trance states described in the article are not achieved through music, but monotonous non complex repetition of sound.
Our electronic trance music will modulate the more shallow trance states in the listener up & down - So, the interesting thing here is to use the modulation of the trance states in conjunction with the timing of certain moods, attitudes and themes of the tracks.
You might be more receptive to a certain flow of tracks when in a certain trance state, or when moving from one state to another.
No matter how deep a psytrance track may be, it bears little practical resemblance to ritual drumming used to achieve deep trance states.
Best Wishes
Krell
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as usual, well said Krell... I had a lecture in uni years ago now, when a proffessor was invited to come talk about trance states, he was an expert in... "african bush art" as far as i can remember. And well... he kept trying to explain how they entered trance states through the use of repeteaed drumming and dancing around the fire and all that. After five minutees i just HAD to get up and ask... what about psychedelics? where's shaman giving handing out the stuff? i think that if you look at these rituals in most ancient societies, you will almost invariably find the use of some kind of substance to help you transcend. At least that's what i understood of it
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Krell
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Posted : May 18, 2006 03:46
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What you are talking about is ritual drumming or shamanic drumming.
Its basicly just the same sound repeating itself again and again with no variation for long time periods (maybe hours or even days).
Its not music as we know it, but just sound and repetition to focus and tune in to so you can achieve deep trance states...
All electronic trance inducing music is created with the intent of being a tool to achieve trance states while dancing, partying and so forth. Just like the ritual drumming, however, as far as I know the music does not open the doors to the really deep trance states.
So - You can say that the more minimal and repetitive you make the music, the deeper the trance can become (depending on the skill of the listener/trancer and the environment).
However, the deep trance states described in the article are not achieved through music, but monotonous non complex repetition of sound.
Our electronic trance music will modulate the more shallow trance states in the listener up & down - So, the interesting thing here is to use the modulation of the trance states in conjunction with the timing of certain moods, attitudes and themes of the tracks.
You might be more receptive to a certain flow of tracks when in a certain trance state, or when moving from one state to another.
No matter how deep a psytrance track may be, it bears little practical resemblance to ritual drumming used to achieve deep trance states.
Best Wishes
Krell
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as usual, well said Krell... I had a lecture in uni years ago now, when a proffessor was invited to come talk about trance states, he was an expert in... "african bush art" as far as i can remember. And well... he kept trying to explain how they entered trance states through the use of repeteaed drumming and dancing around the fire and all that. After five minutees i just HAD to get up and ask... what about psychedelics? where's shaman giving handing out the stuff? i think that if you look at these rituals in most ancient societies, you will almost invariably find the use of some kind of substance to help you transcend. At least that's what i understood of it
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Well - psychedelics will for sure alter the mind, and that in itself goes hand in hand with the effects of a trance.
However - I dont think psychedelics are really needed if the purpose is the trance itself....
I suspect, that for tribes and shamans the trance in itself is not the goal, but other stuff - vision quests etc.
For that purpose, I imagine throwing in stimulating substances into the mix (psychedelics or other) will help create that experience.
Lots of "I think" "I suspect", Im no expert either. All guesswork
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crovo
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Posted : May 18, 2006 06:25
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shamanizer
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Surely shamans have used and still use entheogens in rituals. They are usually considered as sacred plants and are used as tools in rituals. However, they are not needed to experience trance state and to start a voyage to other worlds. I guess most common tool is monotonious drumming technique that helps shaman to fall into trance and start voyage to other worlds, whether its upper or lower world. Everybody is able to experience trance state and there are various methods to do so. I doubt that there is psytrance that actually can take one into the trance state, its another thing to fall into trance through music combined with dancing because exhaustion can also take one into the trance state. However it takes much concentration and training to do so, but its possible for every single person.
In fact, for example in Finland, Shamanic Centre organises certain drumming groups for beginners to experience journeying and it is strictly forbidden to be under influence of any substance that can be classified as a drug or alcohol. There are also groups for more experienced practitioners.
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Rah
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Posted : May 18, 2006 15:26
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interesting, i've never seen anybody fall in a trance state with just 'drumming and dancing in a circle until exhaustion hits you.' could this be a bit like a form of hypnotism perhaps? i remain slightly wary of the method.
@Krell: i guess the same, mate... not really sure...
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shamanizer
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Posted : May 18, 2006 16:15
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On 2006-05-18 15:26, Rah wrote:
interesting, i've never seen anybody fall in a trance state with just 'drumming and dancing in a circle until exhaustion hits you.' could this be a bit like a form of hypnotism perhaps? i remain slightly wary of the method.
@Krell: i guess the same, mate... not really sure...
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Its not simply the exhaustion and/or drumming that takes you into the trance state. Like said before it takes much experience and training to get there. One needs to break the chains of a modern mindset and let imagination break free. That's not necessarily an easy task for a western person since we came so far from the nature. For example many indigeneous people "take it for granted" and its much easier for them to attain trance states. There are also differing states of trance from light to deep. Some people train their mind (imagination) with "visualising", which is a method when one tries to "break the mindset of not believing before you are able to see it". One tries to get somewhere or to some solution by imagining the wanted result. Its different compared to shamanistic journey because when journeying one is using stored power to gain the wanted result, but its not in ones control what one might face during the journey. Journeying is also a deep state of trance, whereas visualising is not.
Its rather easy to find resemblances to psychedelics, and psychedelics might be one tool to get rid of ordinary mindset and to open ones mind for earlier unimaginable things, but they are not a necessity. With proper guidance anyone is able to reach trance states without help of psychedelic substances, one just needs to have opened mind and positive attitude towards the idea of trancing or, after gaining more experience, towards journeying. |
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Rah
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Posted : May 18, 2006 20:52
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Sounds a bit like dhyana meditation, very interesting thanks for clearing it up.
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Gopendragon
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Posted : May 19, 2006 10:43
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The trance state is an area between sleep and awake,it is like you stay up on the bridge wich connects real and unreal...the gateway entrance to the spirit zone...you are not sleeping but you are not even awake...when a shaman is drumming and dancing after hours non stop,feeling connected with everything around,trying to be able and communicate with each different spirit around ,the shaman must be ready and prepared to catch the ecstatic second wich would get him into the deep trance state,so the more concsious is the shaman the more 100% in the moment of the present time the more sure and ready will be when the gateway of the spirit zone open just for one second and he would pass through the entrance fastly in those realms....then visions of weird channeling start to appear and the shaman is entering the spirit zone,he could meet gnomes and start speaking telepatheticaly with them,the most of them are dark and their purpose is to misguide the shaman...here the experienced shaman knows how to act and communicate with those spirits ,he always have friendly spirits to help him in each different occasion and sometimes he goes far beyond the insticts of a human body,he might need to act like a tiger ,because a human is not so strong as a tiger is,and a human cant move so fast as a tiger can,so he became one with the animal just to be able to pass from difficult space areas were only a tiger can and have the strength and power to fight with strong spirits,the shaman have to pass from much difficult tasks as he triping in deep trance states from were he gain power wisdom and mystic knowledge...
psychedelic trance is the evolution in a modern phase for the trance states in our century,not the same as it was before 45000 years ,but something familiar with much common elements.
what is the difference between psychedelic trance of our century with the shamanic trance of the ancients tribes?
the ancient sacred shaman was geting into trance state with his conciousnes and spirit awaken ,so able to have the control of the trip,the trip was clear and slow,the shaman was powerfull of energy and most of the times won something from the trip,always knew what to do and how to act each moment....
the neo shaman of our century in psychedelic trance,usually the most of the times is getting into trance unconciously and so not able to have the 100% control up on the spirits,ususaly other spirit taking control up on the neoshaman,tha means possesion and misguidance,the trip is soo much fast and the neoshaman is able only to keep a few memories in the subconcious,and usually the neoshaman looses much from his energy and power and spirit have stolen from him a lot of precious spiritual abilities...
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Krell
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Posted : May 19, 2006 18:57
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On 2006-05-19 10:43, Gopendra wrote:
The trance state is an area between sleep and awake,it is like you stay up on the bridge wich connects real and unreal...the gateway entrance to the spirit zone...you are not sleeping but you are not even awake...when a shaman is drumming and dancing after hours non stop,feeling connected with everything around,trying to be able and communicate with each different spirit around ,the shaman must be ready and prepared to catch the ecstatic second wich would get him into the deep trance state,so the more concsious is the shaman the more 100% in the moment of the present time the more sure and ready will be when the gateway of the spirit zone open just for one second and he would pass through the entrance fastly in those realms....then visions of weird channeling start to appear and the shaman is entering the spirit zone,he could meet gnomes and start speaking telepatheticaly with them,the most of them are dark and their purpose is to misguide the shaman...here the experienced shaman knows how to act and communicate with those spirits ,he always have friendly spirits to help him in each different occasion and sometimes he goes far beyond the insticts of a human body,he might need to act like a tiger ,because a human is not so strong as a tiger is,and a human cant move so fast as a tiger can,so he became one with the animal just to be able to pass from difficult space areas were only a tiger can and have the strength and power to fight with strong spirits,the shaman have to pass from much difficult tasks as he triping in deep trance states from were he gain power wisdom and mystic knowledge...
psychedelic trance is the evolution in a modern phase for the trance states in our century,not the same as it was before 45000 years ,but something familiar with much common elements.
what is the difference between psychedelic trance of our century with the shamanic trance of the ancients tribes?
the ancient sacred shaman was geting into trance state with his conciousnes and spirit awaken ,so able to have the control of the trip,the trip was clear and slow,the shaman was powerfull of energy and most of the times won something from the trip,always knew what to do and how to act each moment....
the neo shaman of our century in psychedelic trance,usually the most of the times is getting into trance unconciously and so not able to have the 100% control up on the spirits,ususaly other spirit taking control up on the neoshaman,tha means possesion and misguidance,the trip is soo much fast and the neoshaman is able only to keep a few memories in the subconcious,and usually the neoshaman looses much from his energy and power and spirit have stolen from him a lot of precious spiritual abilities...
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You dont have to be a shaman to enter deep trance states, and you dont need a shaman either.
You can do it on your own.
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Gopendragon
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Posted : May 22, 2006 11:53
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On 2006-05-19 18:57, Krell wrote:
You dont have to be a shaman to enter deep trance states, and you dont need a shaman either.
You can do it on your own.
Best Wishes
Krell
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Yea sure my bro the trance states doesnt make you a shaman,but the first trance dancers before thousands of years,the origins of trance started from ancient sacred shamanic tribes.
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