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"Darkpsy is crap" parrots.
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 00:41
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On 2006-08-27 19:04, DETOX wrote:
NO ITS NOT ALL PSYCHEDELIC.
these amateur producers found a solid ground to develop their thing and gain attention through psychedelic trance.
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well , after checking last boom festival line up , it seems the takeoveer is complete 
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:46
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Actually yes Dennis i am also very pissed off at the fact that psy trance shops dont buy anymore as many cds as they used to and their explanation is that they are obliged due to competition reasons to feature every release in their catalogue so they got to limit the big quantities from labels that sell many cds in order to buy small quantities from every label out there and keep up with all the new releases that flood the market every week.
And to speak with an example and numbers lets assume the following situation.
We got a shop that can purchase every month 1000 cds,the cds it purchases are based on two factors,the demand that people show on specific labels and the fact that it is obliged for competition and variety reasons to feature every new release in its shop.
So lets assume that there are 10 very good labels in the market,30 good labels,70 average labels and 90 bad labels.So we got 200 labels in total.The purchases by the shop look like this.
10 very good labels : 200 cds (20 cds each title)
30 good labels : 270 cds (9 cds each title)
70 average labels : 350 cds (5 cds each title)
90 bad labels : 180 cds (2 cds each title)
So far so good.
When in 18-24 months time the 200 labels will become 300 the sales will look like this according to simple statistics.
15 very good labels : 195 (13 cds each release)
45 good labels : 225 (5 cds each release)
105 average labels : 315 cds (3 cds each release)
135 bad labels : 270 cds (2 cds each release)
If you compare the changes you will notice that the very good and good labels suffer a major blow while the average labels receive a smaller blow and the bad labels dont receive a blow at all because they were selling very low anyway.
And before someone asks me why shops buy bad and average releases i will inform you that the distribution games in our days play a major role in the market too.So the distribution that distributes 5 very good labels obliges the shops to buy certain ammounts of cds from every release (including apart the good labels the average and the bad ones) otherwise they charge them more for the hot releases or even boycott them and sell their products to their competitors.
So to sum it up the more labels in such a small market like the psychedelic trance one then the worst for everyone especially when the majority of new labels are bad or just average labels established to mostly promote the names of its managers/djs and their friends/artists so that they can get some bookings in the future.
I think that i already said enough and that the picture is crystal clear already for those that WANT TO SEE IT at least.
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:53
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and who are you to judge a good and a bad label?
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 02:03
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Well I suppose he is judging the labels in terms of sales and not in terms of "quality".
(of course a label that sells more, is not automatically better in terms of product, management ...etc.)
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 02:08
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well perhaps he should try another business before he will go totally bankrupt.....
Hint: Mc Donalds... Still commercial!  |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 02:12
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The people mostly judge them not me.There are other factors too ofcourse but its mostly the people and their support that makes a label very good in our scene where there is no huge promotion like in rock music for example to manipulate people and buy an average album.Psy trance is a small scene and market and more or less everyone knows which are the good labels and which one are the bad.
Thats why Twisted that is a very good label sells 20 cds while a good label like Digital Structures sells 9 cds and an average label like Timecode sells 5 cds and a bad label like Spliff Music sells 2 cds.
P.S Label names are just used as an example.
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 02:45
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Dont u think we`ve gone completely offtopic here???
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 03:46
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It's simple market economics. High demand for darkpsy ---> More labels start up to meet the demand.
It ain't rocket science
btw Detox, you never answered my question in the other thread: Is there one single "dark" producer, or producer of music over 144 BPMS that you have respect for/think makes quality music (even if it isnt to your personal taste)?
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 11:15
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On 2006-08-28 03:46, Psycosmo wrote:
It's simple market economics. High demand for darkpsy ---> More labels start up to meet the demand.
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Well either that dear Psycosmo or....
Easy and simple to produce dark psy using just a pc and two home speakers--->Many people establishing amateur labels in order to promote themselves and become djs and artists and get bookings--->Easy and almost absolutely free to sign any dark psy tune on the market--->Distributions willing to distribute anything and shops obliged by distributions and competition to buy even the minimum ammount of every new release--->High probability of small profit for label managers since a dark psy release costs the minimum a compilation can cost in our days and even some hundred copies sold mean some money in their pockets--->Lets flood the market and try to gain some popularity,some little extra cash and couple of bookings.
Judging by the fact that most of these dark psy releases sell no more than 500-600 copies (which by the way are enough to make a 500 euros profit which for some people is serious money) i think that my theory dear Psycosmo is applies more to reality than yours.
Its not rocket science as you said but its still business and i doubt that many people in this forum know how the music business operates in our days.
P.S I like Shift and Suria who make night time music but i am not sure that they belong to what we call dark psy.If you want me to mention a name from Russia or India or Israel then i am afraid that most of the music coming from those countries is absolutely crap in my humble opinion. Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 12:37
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If you like Shift there's hope
PS I do see your point, I just think you're generalizing way way too much. Its hard to overlook stuff like that "master of the keys" comp whose cover was just a screen shot from the second "Matrix". I think what you are talking about is true, just not as broadly true as you seem to think.
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dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 13:00
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SO U WANT TO BAN RUSSIA , INDIA & ISRAEL ?
from this forum?
what r u trying to prove Mr Detox ..
all the ppl who go for the parties , ppl who have musical tastes . the production standards , they selll copies and r booked for playin @ parties in various countries ...u mean all the ppl who are part of the psycommunity who listen & cherish psychedelic music r not in right frame of mind ..or is it just that may be u love morning music too much so much that u had to do this ??
its not u rduty or responsibility or even to give it a thought who sell who dont sell ..if they r good they will sell .
if they r not good they wont sell .
whhere lies the problem for u in it .
ppl r smart .they know what is good and what not ? they wont buy the cd ? if its not good .
IF ITS GOOD THEN WHO WONT .
this is not dark music ..it is PSYCHEDELIC .
and GOOD MUSIC is ALWAYS NOTICED .
sp leave it to the ppl
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Transcendentalist
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 13:26
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hE likEs morning music
i like dArk
so whAt?
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Cutie
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 13:50
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On 2006-08-27 23:20, orange-atropa wrote:
please show me 1 guy in this forum that whants to be a dj/artist!!!
no please try to find 1!
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LOL! LOL! LOL! Triple-LOL! You made my day, man |
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 13:52
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On 2006-08-28 01:46, DETOX wrote:
Actually yes Dennis i am also very pissed off at the fact that psy trance shops dont buy anymore as many cds as they used
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sign some dark artist , you will sell more 
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neuromantik
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 14:24
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Detox, you seem to have a problem with free markets, and I understand why you think it's UNFAIR you have to work harder than before in order to sell your CDs. Hey that's competition for you, don't hate the player hate the game
You are incorrect with your assessment of how distributions work. I can attest that I only know of one distribution who caters to "darkpsy", and that's Wirikuta. Arabesque, ZMA and Topplers don't touch that genre with a ten-foot pole.
I'm sorry to inform you but Wirikuta is run by peaceful music lovers (hey booka ), not profit driven BUSINESS MEN like yourself. Your statement about how shops work is plain WRONG. Shops order what they like and how much they want. I've never heard of a distribution boycotting a shop UNLESS the shop failed to make payments. Please quit making false statements about how the MUSIC BUSINESS is supposed to work.
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