On 2014-04-17 22:34, Colin OOOD wrote:
Keep those insults and psychological projections coming, they're a great demonstration of how spiritual you are.
Alternatively, if you don't want to keep making it personal, you can tell me what it is I said exactly that you disagree with, and why, and we can have a discussion about that.
...some people like to pretend their mystical speculation and wishful/magical thinking about it is actual knowledge, which it isn't
This is what bothers me, there are tons of science on this stuff, and tons of actual knowledge, knowledge that have been very important to humans for ages.
On 2014-04-17 22:55, supergroover wrote:
What always bothers me is that alot of 'alternative thinking' don't feel it is necesarry to implement a scientific method to figure out their ideas.
If you want to know what you think is true, research it. And then I am not talking about: 'I can feel it is working'...
There are actually more sences than just the sight. Do you care to explain to me why what we experience with these are less valid?
On 2014-04-17 22:45, MJ12 wrote:
Hey, whats wrong with being a Christian?
Saw a Ted Talks on Cymatics, that was Interesting. Think its up on youtube
Nothing wrong with Christians, they just tend to be a bit more narrow minded about this kind of stuff. Bad joke mabe, not intended to offend you
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On 2014-04-17 22:03, NaturensKraft wrote:
Just getting a little fed up with this trollish commenting going on here all the time.
hold on to that thought
know what? what about shaman's drumming?
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Posted : Apr 18, 2014 00:11
The charlatans who made up stories about the Mayans said that the world would either come to an end (or was it the media?) or that some change in human consciousness (or did it include the other species as well? head to FAQ) was going to take place due to some kind of cosmic event similar to your car's mile counter reaching highest possible number and starting over...
I just predicted that the likes of Graham Hancock and Daniel Pinchbeck would finally lose their audiences.
Both predictions failed...
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Posted : Apr 18, 2014 09:01
The human mind is full of biases (even without you knowing it). So if you want to know if a certain idea or treatment is working you have to do a RCT (randomized controlled trial). Otherwise you are just guessing.. In the best case you make an educated guess..
Homeopathy is a good example of bullshit although lot s people think it works. There have been plenty of studies showing it is just as effective as a placebo.
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Well, trancing is a mystery I thing we won't understand for quite a long time, but experiments like this help us visualize what we normally do with our ears. To a trained producer, he can detect this nuances and pulsations and translate them into thought, but to the normal John Doe it's easier with visuals -> and these visuals have gone a really long way (all hail the mighty MilkDrop and advanced visualizations studio!).
But, for me this experience is a little out dated - OK we see what happens with standing notes, but I want rhythm, melody, polyphony, modulation and evolution! As for me just a single note staying still isn't that great - hey, the black and red fluids floating in silence were way cooler - but I tend to approach psychedelia with modulating frequencies following the "ubiquitous law of periodicity", incorporating frequency changes and silence into what I call music.
I also think it would be cool to have a table in the dance floor where people could place different particles and see a physical real-time visualization of the sound pumping out.
Certainly this experiment does show some nice features of how particles react to vibrations, and I like to remember we're made out of particles, being exited by the air carrying the audio waves, so in a way this is happening inside us to Just imagine what's happening with the food inside that guy's stomach with his head in the sub woofer Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
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On 2014-04-18 15:52, knocz wrote:
But, for me this experience is a little out dated - OK we see what happens with standing notes, but I want rhythm, melody, polyphony, modulation and evolution! As for me just a single note staying still isn't that great - hey, the black and red fluids floating in silence were way cooler - but I tend to approach psychedelia with modulating frequencies following the "ubiquitous law of periodicity", incorporating frequency changes and silence into what I call music.
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I think the drumming thing is interesting and some of us should probably explore this things on their own, not just theoreticly, but in practice: sitting down in the studio and try and relate to that info and see what turns up. Always felt like the KBBB combo kind of resembles one of the simplest and therefore used more often rythms that anyone with a djambe can come up with. Again, a lot has been said about it.
For me, mysticism and spirituality is a very intimate subject. It's like you and your girlfriend. You don't go about explaining it three pages long on some forum. You feel it and have your own way of approaching it without feelign the need to explain it to anyone.
Love, Spirituality, the Gaian Mind, Ayahuasca, so forth and so on, as far as the arts are concerned, are just content. The magic lies in the actual laying down of ideas and sharing these ideas, emotions, insights with others using a purely abstract medium - again, think that's where the magic lies. I think it's fantastic when, for instance, the way of thinking you get to know with some altered state can be fixed within a song (or any kind of artwork for that matter) so that people can witness it even without ingesting the drugs or going through whatever method involved themselves. Goes without saying it's not only about altered states of mind and their own paths of thinking, of perception and whatever. There's actually a much wider, ambiguous scope to it. I even like synthesizer sounds for the sake of it. Love it to pieces. Think it's already a very magical thing on its own to have the ability to create waveforms that travel through space and hit my ears and that I have some form of control over them.
I think the bigger, most intense and far reaching epyphanies await those who search long enough. Things are not immediately obvious, and most of them - at least for me - are not easily translated into words. It's just something that suddenly reveals itself to you and then you're witnessing your mind making all the connections from that new notion that's suddenly made obvious and overwelming. For me, that's even on a deeper level then the kind of trance you get to on a dance floor.
You can make a 440Hz tune with some sample on how 432Hz is where all the magic lies, maybe someone would get the chills from it - but there's so many things to get right to get people to feel the chills that are far more important to anyone making music then simply the tunning used, or how some neat pictures are formed with some frequencies rather then others - and think it's much revealing that the characteristics of the plates play a major role in this, thus defeating much of the claims made.
Should be obvious. This made me go back to an experience I had at Boom Festival 2010. There was some tents dedicated to the Mayan thing. I went there to check it out and some presentation was starting so I decided to give it a go and sat down. It all went smooth while the speaker was going about celestial patterns and time. When he started to talk about Kins and other stuff I imeddiately felt like I was amidst some kind of scheme very similar to some religious bullshit you can find elsewhere and left. Not before some of the people in there reacted to me leaving in ways such as:
- you just don't see it now, but you will soon.
I wonder how far this belief system has took them in life. As it's clear to me that this 2012 thing was an interesting subject made into a marketing circus by charlatans who made a pile of money from it, playing with people's expectations in a nasty way. People feel the need to understand everything, to get answers for everything. Most new age stuff picks some anedoctal information from science, builds some kind of wishfull thinking theory relating this info, so as to form a nicely laid out picture - but it's still a falacy non the less. Just happens to be exactly what most people would want to believe in, and so it sells.
Like it's been said here, spirituality isn't simply swallowing everything you're told coming from new age literature or youtube documentaries, it's a highly personal experience and it's one - at best - that shreds all your previous belief systems into pieces and allows you to be amazed at how insanely huge and complex and beyond anything you could ever even try to explain, this thing really is. new age literature, at best, is like explaining how the cosmos works for kids, it's all to easily laid out.
Sound is much more mind blowing to me then those theories, even when it's not psytrance. Even classic music can make me think about Spirituality a lot more then pretty sand pictures on metal plates. My 2 cents
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Posted : Apr 18, 2014 19:07
For the sake of transparency I copy + paste here the PM conversation I've had with NaturensKraft.
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NaturensKraft said:
since you are the moderator alpha god of this forum mabe you can delete my profile. there seems to be no way of doing it in the settings.
I only help moderate the Music Production subforum and I only have very limited powers; I can't delete or ban users. Besides, it would be a shame for you to go just because someone disagrees with you. If you're convinced you want to leave, you should write to someone with a red username like full_on, they can help you.
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your not disagreeing, your attacking me for no aparent reason. you are being very rude and behaviour like yours i dont need on a creative platform like this, it isnt doing any good. if you are moderator here and keep behaving in this low way i dont want to use this forum anymore.
No. I'm not attacking you. I'm sorry you think I am, but I'm not. I'm taking issue with certain concepts you're putting forward, but none of that is directed at you as an individual. I'm not calling you egotistical, like you have done to me. I'm not saying you have a small mind, like you said about me. What I do say is that an unquestioning acceptance of comfortable ideas and the taking of speculation as fact is not a positive thing, in general.
If you have complaints about my behaviour please tell someone with a red name. I'll forward them these messages, they will look at the discussion on the forum, and make their own decision. In the meantime I will continue to argue for integrity, clarity and a questioning, sceptical approach to what appears to me to be new-age pseudospiritual bullshit.
With respect,
Colin
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I was trying to have a musical discussion. Can you please take your left brain ego preaching another place? By the way im not a new age person, i fucking go by science.
You show no respect, so dont give me your false words.
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I also think it would be cool to have a table in the dance floor where people could place different particles and see a physical real-time visualization of the sound pumping out.
I was Thinking about that too, if some frequencies do that, imagine what the full songs can do, very curious .
