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aCIDISGOD
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People we need to accept Adam n Lucy are an integral part of the Trance Dance expeirence. Thus said using them iresponsibly and comming to Trance parties just with the intention of tripping without the pursuit that some of us do what we do is wrong.
But what we are facing here is the ban on "All nite" outdoor events. I don t think the substances matter in any way anymore. We have already earned our reputation. The culture is associated with psychedelics and you cant deny that.
And the indian mindset will never grow to accept it no matter how you try telling people outside the circles that you had a life changing spiritual expeirence on Substance A or X listening to electronic beat oriented music at 10000 watts. For them its a disco worse a disco on drugs.
Being very honest drugless rave is a myth C mon. It aint a rave without Lucy n Adam. Ok You have music in the outdoors its a freakin dance party. Well ya all know where I am comming from on this.
My friends lets stop pretending, Its over here in this country if not its freakin difficult carrying on on the path.
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man wat u saying nothing's over for this country it's jus started .. this is cause for lot more reactions .. it's only gonna grow bigger ... by doin this they r educatin the masses and among them atleast a few will realise d experience n join in ... n rest will suk satan's cok
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Aug 21, 2008 06:08
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As Kerosene Club/Stomp said in some thread in this section...
Psytrance, raves, et all were never an Indian thing... it was started by outsiders and can be best handled by them. That's how it used to happen in the early days (when i was 10 yrs old  ).. The Indian mindset is such that most of the population here cannot ever understand what a rave is...
I absolutely agree with Brian's opinion on this topic. They never used to advertise it 10 years earlier... so why now? Why so many ads, promotions everywhere? Simple, for the money...  Each one of you know this and regarding D's... i better not say anything, coz we all know what we write here and what we do aren't the same. It's all happening coz of the D's found in gatherings we go to.
Period.
bOm..
Peace!
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psyclone
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On 2008-08-21 02:47, aCIDISGOD wrote:
Being very honest drugless rave is a myth C mon. It aint a rave without Lucy n Adam. Ok You have music in the outdoors its a freakin dance party. Well ya all know where I am comming from on this.
My friends lets stop pretending, Its over here in this country if not its freakin difficult carrying on on the path.
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its a myth?! so it seems to me u are jus as narrow-minded as those 'kids' comin to parties thinkin oh its a rave i must go take sum drugs there..
if u wana c a change...u have to BE the change first ! and i said drugless parties for SUM TIME... for a start... so that if a situation like what happened now happens in the future...people can simply stand up for themselves and do dance in nature with people with absolutely no d's on them !
if u believe its a myth then it will be !! cmon man.. get a life.. throw away the d's
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day_tripper
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Drugfull or drugless... The only way out here is to go commercial!!
give me more redbull fueled Skazi gigs at Palace grounds!
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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one of the main reasons parties gettin busted is the organisers mainly, and then the D mafia and introduction of hard Ds into the scene,. imagine the combination of fighting orgs who want to ruin others party,. unpaid coppers when these stupid orgs try n avoid givin the baksheesh,. and senseless kids on stupid Ds who donno wat they;re doin,. and the D mafia in with hard Ds,. it sure is/was a time bomb,. Also add a bit of hungry and false media and ppl like KRV trying to make a quick buck n fast name,. it becomes a deadly combination,.
Sigh!, but eventually who gets fucked,. the artists and the innocent ppl,.
First thing,. orgs n such ppl need to understand the situation and stop fighting and get united. Let one guy do one party a month or in 2 months,. its better than having no party,. decide whos gonna do when,. live n let live u orgs,. Keep the scene totally underground and limited to ppl who love music truely,,. keep the location far from the city,. maybe in a remote place far away,. please sort out all the safety scenes first,. if its not safe then cancel the scene,. orgs always try to avoid givin the baksheesh n get screwed up in the end,. Also keep the D mafia and Hard Ds away,. Allow ONLY psychedelics,. coz they r not Ds,. and they have been a very essential part of every culture and race on earth from time immemorial, including our own indian culture....... also avoid parties being posted on social networking websites,. This shud work...
at the same time try n educate as many ppl as possible... various ppl needs to be educated on various things,. firstly ppl who organise a party need to know why n what they are doing,. its not soley for money,. its for the experience,. but yes keep a li'll profit margin,. don expect to be a billionaire overnight,. once ppl know that u organise a clean good party things will workout automatically... secondly ppl who come to party need to be educated why they are here and wat they are doing and regarding the Ds also,. its very important... Thirdly the general public n authorities shud be fed a good impression regarding the scene,. which is tough but over time and dedication it can be done atleast to some extent where then stop bothering us atelast...
Also one main thing,. party shudnt be organised JUST to make money,. I know without money there is no party,. but that shudnt be the sole intention of it,. pay the baksheesh properly and secure the party... and noone will say i wont pay the entry,. just keep it reasonable...
tell me ,. when ppl can getaway with real crime n scams n etc etc etc in broad daylight,. why cant we organise a simple party? its not that difficult and the problem is not from outside,. its the issue inside the scene,. the worm eating the apple from inside... Coz tell me did 10 or so years back were there D less parties? did the general public appreciated the psy scene? were the coppers psy friendly? etc etc... NO,. the situation was the same,. but the way it was handled was different and it worked. There was unity n a bit of PLUR atleast,. but nowadays... sigh... PLUR my a$$
But for now,. its best to lay low for a while and try n revive the scene slowly... |
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On 2008-08-21 10:07, day_tripper wrote:
Drugfull or drugless... The only way out here is to go commercial!!
give me more redbull fueled Skazi gigs at Palace grounds!
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daytripper bro,. u r right,. but this works only for the general masses or the majority of the masses,. but for the real freaks and if u wanna have a spiritual or watever different experiences or u just wanna go completely mad,. the only way is underground and exoctic locations,. these commercial parties are just a fun thingy,. there is no real vibe n feel in these parties,. lifeless... |
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On 2008-08-21 10:07, day_tripper wrote:
Drugfull or drugless... The only way out here is to go commercial!!
give me more redbull fueled Skazi gigs at Palace grounds!
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daytripper bro,. u r right,. but this works only for the general masses or the majority of the masses,. but for the real freaks and if u wanna have a spiritual or watever different experiences or u just wanna go completely mad,. the only way is underground and exoctic locations,. these commercial parties are just a fun thingy,. there is no real vibe n feel in these parties,. lifeless...
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agreed! But atleast the commercial parties will break the taboo.
you never hear anything (busts)against heavy metal concerts... although you would know that a lotta medical stores make a good profit during that time.
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On 2008-08-21 02:47, aCIDISGOD wrote:
People we need to accept Adam n Lucy are an integral part of the Trance Dance expeirence. Thus said using them iresponsibly and comming to Trance parties just with the intention of tripping without the pursuit that some of us do what we do is wrong.
But what we are facing here is the ban on "All nite" outdoor events. I don t think the substances matter in any way anymore. We have already earned our reputation. The culture is associated with psychedelics and you cant deny that.
And the indian mindset will never grow to accept it no matter how you try telling people outside the circles that you had a life changing spiritual expeirence on Substance A or X listening to electronic beat oriented music at 10000 watts. For them its a disco worse a disco on drugs.
Being very honest drugless rave is a myth C mon. It aint a rave without Lucy n Adam. Ok You have music in the outdoors its a freakin dance party. Well ya all know where I am comming from on this.
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I completely agree with you. I just wish more people are aware of whatever substance they use. They should use it as a way of exploring their minds (and some entertainment purpose) than escaping reality/getting fucked up. Even psychedelics can have negative effects if misused, but if they are used with the right knowledge and intention it can be a great spiritual experience combined with good 'psychedelic' music..
For me a private/underground scene is better, as many unwanted idiots get filtered out and the vibe stays good.
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On 2008-08-21 02:47, aCIDISGOD wrote:
Being very honest drugless rave is a myth C mon. It aint a rave without Lucy n Adam. Ok You have music in the outdoors its a freakin dance party. Well ya all know where I am comming from on this.
My friends lets stop pretending, Its over here in this country if not its freakin difficult carrying on on the path.
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its a myth?! so it seems to me u are jus as narrow-minded as those 'kids' comin to parties thinkin oh its a rave i must go take sum drugs there..
if u wana c a change...u have to BE the change first ! and i said drugless parties for SUM TIME... for a start... so that if a situation like what happened now happens in the future...people can simply stand up for themselves and do dance in nature with people with absolutely no d's on them !
if u believe its a myth then it will be !! cmon man.. get a life.. throw away the d's
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I have a great life thank you! Well it almost got screwed nice n proper but almost! It s fine now thank you.
@psyclone. My friend I beleive in doing things 'Full On' hope ya get what i mean. And psychedelics complete the full circle to me my friend.
The genre is called psychedelic trance yea! Now taht should tell you quite a bit. If music is the need i can get at home in my car at work freakin whereever and whenever but a true shamanic gathering needs psychedelics! Right! So stop askin me to get a life and come with some thing really inovative where we can go 'Full on' since you belive in being the change you want to see!
Otherwise give me them palace ground shows with Skazi Iron Maiden or Megadeth...Oh yeah on Red Bulls!
Cheers!
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mentalcandy
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On 2008-08-21 02:47, aCIDISGOD wrote:
Being very honest drugless rave is a myth C mon. It aint a rave without Lucy n Adam. Ok You have music in the outdoors its a freakin dance party. Well ya all know where I am comming from on this.
My friends lets stop pretending, Its over here in this country if not its freakin difficult carrying on on the path.
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its a myth?! so it seems to me u are jus as narrow-minded as those 'kids' comin to parties thinkin oh its a rave i must go take sum drugs there..
if u wana c a change...u have to BE the change first ! and i said drugless parties for SUM TIME... for a start... so that if a situation like what happened now happens in the future...people can simply stand up for themselves and do dance in nature with people with absolutely no d's on them !
if u believe its a myth then it will be !! cmon man.. get a life.. throw away the d's
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I have a great life thank you! Well it almost got screwed nice n proper but almost! It s fine now thank you.
@psyclone. My friend I beleive in doing things 'Full On' hope ya get what i mean. And psychedelics complete the full circle to me my friend.
The genre is called psychedelic trance yea! Now taht should tell you quite a bit. If music is the need i can get at home in my car at work freakin whereever and whenever but a true shamanic gathering needs psychedelics! Right! So stop askin me to get a life and come with some thing really inovative where we can go 'Full on' since you belive in being the change you want to see!
Otherwise give me them palace ground shows with Skazi Iron Maiden or Megadeth...Oh yeah on Red Bulls!
Cheers!
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bro its really hard to make you get the point, the more substance abuse you do the more the scene is gonna get busted, if you like that then keep on doing it, after all at the end of psyclone baba is not gonna pay for it....... you might end up getting busted but on the other hand psyclone will be more smart by not doing such a thing.....
the whole point abt this topic is to be more carefull, now its up to what you wanna do.....
but remember in the end evry man pays for his own actions 
and remember chillout in life coz life's beautiful
bOm 
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aCIDISGOD
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@psykomaniac you are sounding like the adult moral police brigade! And I am not abusing anything man! Substance abuse is another thing all together!
We are discussing the psychedelic way of life here! And all I am saying is psychedelics is a part and parcel of it!
Its not only plain electronic music and dancing in the open that appeals to some of us, its magick moments that comes with a combination of several things i.e. Music, Nature and yes psychedelics. We need to focus and come up with a way of carrying on this beautiful lifestyle. And surelly doing it the way we have known it is not safe anymore.
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@ phiber_optixz :
Even I agree with wat brain said....but bro,it seems lik u've missed some points here.
First thing.....
Back in old days....even the scene in Bangalore was kickass!
The time has changed,things happning around are not the same, and most important......people have change !!!!
(their lifestyle,culture, mentality....everything is considered here)
About the party organiser, ALL the organisers consider the money part....but they DO NOT look at huge profit or something. They just try is to recover their cost which is fair enough!
People normally fail to understand an organisers perception and reason behind doing such scenes. (Im not saying that ALL the organisers r like that )
Everyone knows that a commercial event will pull way more money n crowd compared to this complicated scene were u invest so much of money, take a big risk and then take care of party promotion in such a way that ONLY the RIGHT kinda people, the right circuit is aware of things happning around, then sort the cops issue, sort a venue, sound etc etc. NOT an easy job to do at all ...esp in India.
D***S happen EVERYWHERE ! u really think cops have no issues abroad???
(including Aamsterdam,as quantity does matter 
Its the PEOPLE involved that matters a lot in this scene, not just the organiser and even the cops for that matter. After all, they r doing their job n a way which is right!
'One' lose link can break the entire chain and things go haywire within no time!
Hope u understand what i mean there : )
@ psyclone:
im glad to read ur post ... u've got some really amazing points there bro .....but some things wont work out pratically.
D***S free party is lik a myth for most of us because today....all of us who r discussing things on this forum can definately take consicous efforts to keep the scene clean....but then, there r 100's other who dont understand all of this and come to such gig..LOADED !!! Kinda lik the people who wud boast amongst their frndz circle about how much stuff they have, how hardcore their trip was n feel good about it and be a big mouth when they get back to their day to day routine.Im sure u must have come aross millions of orkut/facebook profiles of such people...flaunting pictures of such substaces,write about how proud they r for use such things and discuss a to z about such things with ther fellow retards n public aswell! These r the people who most of the times, get crazy n psyched on ODs, get involved in some kind of shit or accidents n get everyone else in the picture !!
People coming to gigs can dfntly have an option to do D's at home n then come down to the parties.That way, atleast they r not carrying anything along with them....but do u all really think that by doing this, no one is gonna bust the scene or create issues?? ( Consider the locals aswell )
I understand that atleast they will not find anything but then, they will eventually trace down to things that that r lookin for and n the meantime,they will treat EVERYONE the same till they get their results. Though all the clean guys will get out later without big hassles, but ultimatley, the scene will still b fu*ked up n things r gonna remain the same.
I believe that people come with a mindset that a BIG artist is coming down so they definatley have to experience how it feels lik to be high on his/her music.If that was not the case, then why would someone even bother take so much of pain and risk to reach some isolated place,spend so much of time ,money,etc just to come down for the music which they might find hard to even connect to! Itsnt it a fact that psychedelic makes more sense under psychedelic infuences!??!
( Im not associating this amazing genere of music with drugs.....im just relating it & therz a difference in that )
I would LOVE to be a part of drugs free party but i do not think doing that is gonna make any difference ( not being a pessimist but trying to b a lil practical )
Tell me if its pratically possible that the cops here....come to a gig, create no hassels for others .....peacefully take away whoever is caught red handed or guilty....then leave the rest & party keeps going on !!!
@ aCID IS GOD, I read ur post twice just to confirm if im gettin u right there.....
now im sure about what exactly you are trying to communicate to others.
"Keep an open mind " fellas....thats the key to get things right.
I understand the main difference between substance abuse and the psychedelic way of life that you are talking about and thats why I could connect with ur post.
I HATE it when "people" associate psy music with D***S.
BUT, what matters is that these people have a different perception to look at this genere of music and this psy culture !
For eg, lik psyclone rightly said that some people come to parties with an intension to get rid of their messed up life for sometime. All they want is to trip on some music which goes along with things they get in, abuse and experiment with some substances n get psyched!! (they dfntly dont kno what they r doing )
These people ( more of youngsters,wannabz, some of the new commerial people gettin into psy scene....watever u call them) set a bad example and create a bad image about this in todays society dat we live in. There have been couple of instances where people ASSUME that im one of those bad guys who go to rave parties which is all about sex, music and drugs! Thats the way they define RAVE
I really wonder y no one has such major issues with those baba's who smoke chillum all the time n talk about God,dhyaan, saadhna n stuff.
Infact, no one has issues believing & worshipping Gods with Chillum in their hands!!
http://www.echarcha.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-23126.html ( must read )
Smoking becomes a crime just bcoz people listen to music n dance after that !
Im sure this is just another way to feel spiritual, attain Nirvana, dhyaan - saadhna (watever u call it) along with some good music n good people around.
One word that defines we Indians the best is : Hypocrites!!
( Obviously,even im included coz tho it was un-intensionally, i myself have realised couple of times that I was being a hypocrite!)
POLITICS is another root cause of most of the shit happning around and once again, Indians take politics so serioulsy that they come up with such "self proclaimed sy groups"
take the laws in their hand and deal with things as if they are the ones who run this nation!
Its high time that common people understand the need to bring about the change in themselves to bring a change in society but again, doing that is not easy aswell.
Let the TANDAV begin !
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aCIDISGOD
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@ phiber_optixz :
Even I agree with wat brain said....but bro,it seems lik u've missed some points here.
First thing.....
Back in old days....even the scene in Bangalore was kickass!
The time has changed,things happning around are not the same, and most important......people have change !!!!
(their lifestyle,culture, mentality....everything is considered here)
About the party organiser, ALL the organisers consider the money part....but they DO NOT look at huge profit or something. They just try is to recover their cost which is fair enough!
People normally fail to understand an organisers perception and reason behind doing such scenes. (Im not saying that ALL the organisers r like that )
Everyone knows that a commercial event will pull way more money n crowd compared to this complicated scene were u invest so much of money, take a big risk and then take care of party promotion in such a way that ONLY the RIGHT kinda people, the right circuit is aware of things happning around, then sort the cops issue, sort a venue, sound etc etc. NOT an easy job to do at all ...esp in India.
D***S happen EVERYWHERE ! u really think cops have no issues abroad???
(including Aamsterdam,as quantity does matter
Its the PEOPLE involved that matters a lot in this scene, not just the organiser and even the cops for that matter. After all, they r doing their job n a way which is right!
'One' lose link can break the entire chain and things go haywire within no time!
Hope u understand what i mean there : )
@ psyclone:
im glad to read ur post ... u've got some really amazing points there bro .....but some things wont work out pratically.
D***S free party is lik a myth for most of us because today....all of us who r discussing things on this forum can definately take consicous efforts to keep the scene clean....but then, there r 100's other who dont understand all of this and come to such gig..LOADED !!! Kinda lik the people who wud boast amongst their frndz circle about how much stuff they have, how hardcore their trip was n feel good about it and be a big mouth when they get back to their day to day routine.Im sure u must have come aross millions of orkut/facebook profiles of such people...flaunting pictures of such substaces,write about how proud they r for use such things and discuss a to z about such things with ther fellow retards n public aswell! These r the people who most of the times, get crazy n psyched on ODs, get involved in some kind of shit or accidents n get everyone else in the picture !!
People coming to gigs can dfntly have an option to do D's at home n then come down to the parties.That way, atleast they r not carrying anything along with them....but do u all really think that by doing this, no one is gonna bust the scene or create issues?? ( Consider the locals aswell )
I understand that atleast they will not find anything but then, they will eventually trace down to things that that r lookin for and n the meantime,they will treat EVERYONE the same till they get their results. Though all the clean guys will get out later without big hassles, but ultimatley, the scene will still b fu*ked up n things r gonna remain the same.
I believe that people come with a mindset that a BIG artist is coming down so they definatley have to experience how it feels lik to be high on his/her music.If that was not the case, then why would someone even bother take so much of pain and risk to reach some isolated place,spend so much of time ,money,etc just to come down for the music which they might find hard to even connect to! Itsnt it a fact that psychedelic makes more sense under psychedelic infuences!??!
( Im not associating this amazing genere of music with drugs.....im just relating it & therz a difference in that )
I would LOVE to be a part of drugs free party but i do not think doing that is gonna make any difference ( not being a pessimist but trying to b a lil practical )
Tell me if its pratically possible that the cops here....come to a gig, create no hassels for others .....peacefully take away whoever is caught red handed or guilty....then leave the rest & party keeps going on !!!
@ aCID IS GOD, I read ur post twice just to confirm if im gettin u right there.....
now im sure about what exactly you are trying to communicate to others.
"Keep an open mind " fellas....thats the key to get things right.
I understand the main difference between substance abuse and the psychedelic way of life that you are talking about and thats why I could connect with ur post.
I HATE it when "people" associate psy music with D***S.
BUT, what matters is that these people have a different perception to look at this genere of music and this psy culture !
For eg, lik psyclone rightly said that some people come to parties with an intension to get rid of their messed up life for sometime. All they want is to trip on some music which goes along with things they get in, abuse and experiment with some substances n get psyched!! (they dfntly dont kno what they r doing )
These people ( more of youngsters,wannabz, some of the new commerial people gettin into psy scene....watever u call them) set a bad example and create a bad image about this in todays society dat we live in. There have been couple of instances where people ASSUME that im one of those bad guys who go to rave parties which is all about sex, music and drugs! Thats the way they define RAVE
I really wonder y no one has such major issues with those baba's who smoke chillum all the time n talk about God,dhyaan, saadhna n stuff.
Infact, no one has issues believing & worshipping Gods with Chillum in their hands!!
http://www.echarcha.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-23126.html ( must read )
Smoking becomes a crime just bcoz people listen to music n dance after that !
Im sure this is just another way to feel spiritual, attain Nirvana, dhyaan - saadhna (watever u call it) along with some good music n good people around.
One word that defines we Indians the best is : Hypocrites!!
( Obviously,even im included coz tho it was un-intensionally, i myself have realised couple of times that I was being a hypocrite!)
POLITICS is another root cause of most of the shit happning around and once again, Indians take politics so serioulsy that they come up with such "self proclaimed sy groups"
take the laws in their hand and deal with things as if they are the ones who run this nation!
Its high time that common people understand the need to bring about the change in themselves to bring a change in society but again, doing that is not easy aswell.
Let the TANDAV begin !
PLUR
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