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Cops and robbers.

Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 15:24
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On 2005-10-18 19:28, bubble_x wrote:
Skazi and Infected are our hope to make trance mainstream and to make cops and authorities stop crashing shu shu parties , while shimonim(the word for stupid in hebrew) continue ruining the clubs .
100 good people in the nature are being beaten by the cops , while the native dums, israelies kill each other in the clubs .
is it reasonable ?




I found this post in the "Isreal" section, and it raises a really intersting question.

Is it realy fair that cops ruin beautiful nature parties filled with "plur" people, while clubs who book mainstream (or not) artists where the crowd is filled with bad dope and a bad attitude is cop free? (not 100%, but still)

Discuss!

Pt.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 16:28
- I guess it's a retorical question.
Krell
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 16:44
The thing about those beautiful nature parties you are talking about is that they often take place outside the systems control / without a permit.

You can control clubs easier than the great out doors, since if some location gets totally out of hand (drugs, violence etc), you can revoke their license to serve alcohol, play music and so forth - Therefore, they do not get closed down so often - but when they do get closed down, its usually very bad news for the person responsible for the location.

With outdoor organizers who arrange outdoor events and dont pay of a 1 million dollar morgage on their venue its more difficult to really make them control whatever goes on at their events (they are not taking as big a risk, and are not so easily held accountable as clubs for instance since they dont have as much invested into their events).

Therefore, they dont get licenses for partying all night - So these events often take place and are promoted "outside the systems reach" which again means that less people attend them + they might get shut down.

Thats how I got it all explained from the local police here

And I really must say, it makes perfect sense to me that they dont want parties popping up here end there when they go on for the whole night, people do drugs and especially if all this goes on with hundreds of people there.

Afterall, their job is to maintain order - and the easier it is to put on large events outside the more trouble there will be at those locations. Thats what they do, maintain law and order - and most outdoor psytrance parties do not really go hand in hand with law and order.

Still, it doesnt stop us from partying does it ?

Best Wishes

Krell           Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
Jah_One


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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 16:44
Yes let's make authorized undergound parties!
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 16:51
It is dumb question nor rhetorical, there is not fair or not. There are laws in Israel events like open air parties forbidden to make.
There are around 3-5 laws which state you can't make such event in form ppl use to do it. Moreover drug sales much higher at psytrance open air parties.

Now for killings inside of clubs, this is different case since clubs are legal way to party. The problem is in Israeli youngsters and ppl in general.
We are barbaric and it doesn't matter if it's so called beautiful ppl open air plur party or club full of social and educational low retards. Israel is not as it used to be 30 years ago, we are regular arab country now!

I would like to remind you about some events in last couple of years in Israel, yes there was youngsters who killed some other youngster couple of month ago at Haifa, althought there were parents who been to open air party and left their child inside of car covering him with something and he dead cause of no air.

OR even better visit Abarbanel (psycho clinic) see results of open air parties, there are plenty of them! PPL don't die from open air parties they just turn vegetable which useless way to stay alive at all.

There are plenty of reasons why parties like these should be forbidden especially in Israel where the crowd is drug hungry because of low education and retardness.

AND give me a break, police much more available for club rather open air parties, you just don't look or got blind.

PLUR


P.s KireNaj, it's directed to Israeli guy rather to you but read it as well since i feel you agree with him.          "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom"
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 17:03
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On 2005-11-11 16:44, Jah_One wrote:
Yes let's make authorized undergound parties!




This is the idea, why not! The point is all these underground parties end up with massive drug usage rather dancing with free of drug mind. If you were real music lovers and not chemical eaters then no policeman will come to offend you. We make large picnics with my family and friend about 100 man and no cops ever come, guess why ? Only 5 out 100 smoke weed. See the point?           "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom"
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 17:12
hmmm.. ok. *interesting read by Krell and Willy*
Ron Lyner
Ron Lyner

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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 17:15
willy wonka
did you try bringing a turbo sound system to your picnics and put some jumping music?

try that and than see if they come or not
          http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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You wanna dance?!...I know a tune...its called stick and CUT!!
V.L
Pt.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 17:19
hahaha.. that might bring in the cops. Good point
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 17:19
Well this was the idea we got music i just forgot to add it, You can do it yourself. Turbo Sound for 100 man party? Isn't that much?

Police are no dumb they know when and where you do parties because you always bring drug user junk, by these i mean drug dealers and their minions not just person who take boost once in couple of month.           "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom"
andrejcid
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 19:37
in addition to the reasonable answers by krell and Mr Wonka, Ill just say that the problem is rather of a local signifficance. those problems dont occur everywhere, i.e. in every country. being originally from Macedonia, I can compare the difference of the 'problem' there with the one here in the UK. Simply put, different societies, laws and political systems generate different attitudes by the authorities regarding the parties...
it is a fact tho that the nature of the trance scene, for obvious reasons, attracts many legal issues and problems. But that's what makes it underground in some ways, doesnt it? If we seek for understanding and acceptance from the authorities and the general public not involved with this music, we risk loosing the 'underground' factor. Personally, I dont quite know which option would suit me better...
          Why u little !!!
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 20:04
Commercial parties are not police free.

Not at least in my country Greece.

Also lets not forget that the crowd in psy trance parties is different than the commercial ones and also that the organisers of commercial parties (that demand more money than psy events) are more 'connected' so they have less problems than the more 'amateur' psy trance promoters.

Its not about the music being more commercial or not its about the people involved in it.
          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Ron Lyner
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 20:51
Quote:

On 2005-11-11 17:19, Willy Wonka wrote:
Well this was the idea we got music i just forgot to add it, You can do it yourself. Turbo Sound for 100 man party? Isn't that much?

Police are no dumb they know when and where you do parties because you always bring drug user junk, by these i mean drug dealers and their minions not just person who take boost once in couple of month.




well a little system doesnt get the attention of the police
the little parties that doesnt have big systems doesnt get caught most of the times i think

and what kind of music you play in a picnic with your family ?? it has to be music with boom boom boom umtza umtza if you want them to come


ohh and you have to do it more than once (you know, not all parties get busted)          http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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You wanna dance?!...I know a tune...its called stick and CUT!!
V.L
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 22:41
If we go bit further, cops never patrol regions of Israel it is imposible to make and most of the times open air parties aprooved by local land handler (At North at least). Police come to parties after criminals that sell drugs and some of your and my friends know some friends of firend who sell drugs, so Ron relax! We can continue with that talk but we all know simple thing IF parties will be legal no cops will close it but we won't be "underground anymore".

Just think alone, group of youngsters at Friday night in the middle of no where, dancing! Noise coming from speakers hit close villages, scare animals, after party all location wasted like after independence day... common.

What will you say if we speak about Europe and parties closure there? Police can know about these parties only because of crowd and not loud music or whatsoever. Police come to these parties and they have the law right and moral right as well. You just fail to see how much damage to nature, near by citizens and crowd itself parties make in the way they are now. Well you can damage you health, up to you (althought goverment disallow that) but to harm nature and make noise at nights near farms isn't best thing to do.

Organized large festival (1000+ man) can be great solution just ppl here to lazy and fat to do that!           "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom"
Ron Lyner
Ron Lyner

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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 11:52
i never saw an animal getting crazy because of the music and you see them alot in parties
horses and cows and they are not affraid
we made here a party near the kibbutz where you have alot of animals like a "pinat hai" if you know what it is
they didnt got scared and they even started mating
so about the animals it does nothing to them

"Noise coming from speakers hit close villages"
"make noise at nights near farms isn't best thing to do."

yea that is what i said thats why they come, loud noise

and how do you think the police knows that the drug dealers are there?? only because it is reasonable??? or maybe you think the cops stay near their houses to see where they are going right ?
and what about the clubs that the topic reffered to ??
you think no drug dealers there ??????
let me tell you somthing there are more drugs than in nature parties
and the drug dealers gets to the legal parties aswell
so its not a good excuse

and how do we harm the nature ??
if you mean garbage than not all orginizers leave the area without cleaning
and i dont see why if its authorized with the police and legal it wont harm the nature, it will be the same just with aproval to do that...
same in a big festival even worse

          http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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You wanna dance?!...I know a tune...its called stick and CUT!!
V.L
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