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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 10, 2002 20:33
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oh btw did I tell u how much I love basslines???? 
No kiddin'!!!
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Hodi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2002 21:45
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i love them i didn't say i don't!!
but tooo much of it is...not good
ray of medication is a good track
not only because of the basslines but because of its good structure & sampling
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Nov 11, 2002 15:03
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if u wonna use the car alegory for a track, i woukd put the kick+bassline as the engine and not the wheels.
like jazz has the standard or indian music has the "raga - tala" system as a thema to define the piece's tonic and groove, in trance i c the kick+bassline as the thema of the track.
meaning that the bassline creates the platform for the music to happend.
for me it gives the grounds for the perc' groove and the synth improvisation in studio or on stage.
the problem is usualy in parties' PA system tuning, an orgenizer that wants to over pump up the bass + a DJ that doesn't know what the 0Db stand for on his mixer, just push the bass too much and u end up in a dirty swamp of ugly blury bass with no place for the real music to happaend.
well, that's what i call "too much of a good thing" 
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Nov 11, 2002 16:09
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Yuli is right
im trying not to concentrate on drum & bass lines, but yet i work on it not less hard than on synth lines & fx
if track got shitty bassline - nothing may help it to survive long
hallucinogen got not bad basslines in most of their productions, i just think that if they'd work on it more - their tracks would be even better 
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 04:02
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I love basslines, but I agree with hod gavriel: All the same is boring...
And also agree that (quoting):
the problem is usualy in parties' PA system tuning, an orgenizer that wants to over pump up the bass + a DJ that doesn't know what the 0Db stand for on his mixer, just push the bass too much and u end up in a dirty swamp of ugly blury bass with no place for the real music to happaend.
well, that's what i call "too much of a good thing"
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 10:54
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I want to clear the names of the PA ppl here for a moment...
First a little explanation... Big PA systems are different in their structure then home systems in the fact that from the beginning they reach way down ( in hz ) that any home system, and they put much more to it. That the way they work - so it doesn't necessarily connected to the sound man that operates them or their tuning.. on the contrary - usually the sound ppl try to take off the 40 - 60 hz to keep their system safe ( I don't believe that any PA owner wants to blow his sub off only in the sake of hearing the bassline better )
So forget about this, it's a false belief...
The truth is that in many productions the kik bass is intentionally big ( too big ) or to be exact - the other sounds are intentionally too low, and thus the main issue of the track is the kik bass and from there is the feelinf of too much.
Again forget the PA - in 90% they wont have connection to it - they wouldn't like to tuin their own expensive system
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:07
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a while ago i wrote some short article here about how trance music come back to the sources - techno.
techno=bass+perc.
thats a reason.
BACK TO THE FUTURE.
and u always have alternative into acid house that concentrate on acid synth lines
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:34
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come on yuli
haven't u been to parties that made suffer low freqz track after track just because the system was not tuned corectly to the space or they pulled up the voliume up to the red levels?
i've been to such parties, and i realy couldn't enjoy the music at all.
sometimes, it's just the DJ change that can turn a PA output from horiable to wonderfull,
and it's not the tracks he's playing, it's just the atitude and a bit of understanding in Db levels and EQ.
ofcourse there are producers that their track might be some thing like 4 bar loop of kick and bass on the sequenser with the ocational of their cat steping on the keyboard swiched to a random sound patch.
but u cannot blame it on the producers if the bass blurs the PA track after track for hours. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:46
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yo ozric,
i stated what i know and experienced... for a long time i haven't played with dj's that would punish the system and i have to say that the level of the professionality ( from the dj side ) in israhell is rising all the time. sometimes i found worn out systems that gave bad sound.. but i didn't encounter lately PA owner that boosts his own basses ( mitun today dude, no one has 10000nis spare to fix the sub bass )
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:50
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and 1 more thing concerning sound..
there is a way to think that it's good to push the bass in the mix to the limit and actually is a big wrong that unleashes itself only in closed spaces... actually u don't need too much sub bass in the track, and basically u almost don't need any, because in big PA, especially in a closed space ( club ) the sub levels are boosted so much internally in the system, and because the bass quality is mono ( meaning it wouldnt float and move nicely in the space, but sit and bug you on the floor ) when u create a track there is almost no need at all to push the low ends higher and almost everyone does it. in the end u have to play the track with half of the bass off in the mixer, and to blame the system...
it's not the system dude
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:53
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the system has been succesfully used..
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go@lex
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 11:56
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sometimes, the bass-line make the melodie in your head!!!
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 15:57
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i agree with go@lex...
some tracks just need more focus on the bass than other ones... it all depends on the mood of the track. son kite for example... most of the times son kite tracks rely totaly on the bass, and that gives em that great "son kite feeling" (i sometimes hear things in those tracks that, after listening once more carefully, seem not to be there!)
but on the other hand, ofcourse there are tracks that have a bass that's way to loud imo...
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 17:14
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well..
Bassline is the most inportant thing in trance..
well just give me kicks and bassline and fast hihats..
it'll do the work
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Posted : Nov 14, 2002 13:27
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for me kick and bass have a main thing in the track...
kick is for the legs
bass is for the movement.
in our tracks (synthroid) the most important thing even before instruments are geting inside is the kick and bassline combination and for me a good bass is a fat round bass that answer the kick like a question and a good answer.
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