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Church Trance Divine (Igreja Trance Divino) ?!?!
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wsantos
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Posted : Apr 7, 2007 07:10
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Sorry... but i just finished to see a journal tv in Brazil that show the "Church Trance Divine" based in Alto Paraiso - Goias - Brazil... so i think: What?
No, this is not a joke. It's serious.
I can't believe it. How this is possible? Can someone try to explain this? Do you believe that?
I think the psychedelic trance or just trance it's not about religion... i love this style of music, but people trying to put Trance like religion and to create a church? Is that not to much?!
Sorry again for opening a topic like that... but i'm curious to know your opinion about that.
For me it's a big joke... all right, i respect the others opinions... but come on... think about it. It's to much!
sorry about my english.
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rica
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Posted : Apr 7, 2007 07:19
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yor englich is fihne
anyways
what about bola de neve church? ever heard of it? i find it odd too but what the hell... let them be
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full_on
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Posted : Apr 7, 2007 07:49
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Outolintu
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Posted : Apr 7, 2007 10:15
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what wouldn't a religion do to survive and get new believers into their flock?
there are already rock, pop and metal services held at christian churches so why not expand the territory into electronic music too? it's actually a clever move since trance is mostly uplifting music that can give you ecstatic mood lifts. when you combine it with worshiping god... bingo! 
i'm not into that kind of stuff myself but i don't mind if somebody else is. each to his/her own.
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Alias
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Posted : Apr 7, 2007 16:16
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may be you forget it guys .....but psytrance and
especially goa trance had a strong religion roots
in this case ....hinduism....
shiva and other hindu gods were a main motive
in goa trance
i think all we need is respect each other and other believes!
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 13:02
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Connecting religion with psytrance is in sooooooooo many ways a sacreligion and wrong!!!
@ Alias
Having roots, and misusing religious symbols are two diffrent things. I can not cope with the idea that a bunch of druged up people, dancing to music have to do with anything holy, spiritual and religious!!! ESPECIALY IF THOSE PEOPLE CONSIDER THEMSELVES THE FOLLOWERS OF HIPPIES, [irony]who as we all know were all true belivers and followers of religion[/irony]!!! All of them high on acid fake belivers (respect to the extream minority wich surpassed this)...
C`mon... How would you feel if someone instead of partydeco with Hindu motives used Christan motives. Oh boy, would I like to se crosses with crussified dolls representing Jesus on the dancefloor.
All of this is bullshit, psytrance is bullshit...
Instead of all this religious-psytrance crap, enjoy MUSIC to it`s fullest, enjoy the happy people, enjoy the dance floor.
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Pete Sideburner
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 14:36
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Well, is there a better way to show how psytrance got ordinary? A psytrance church? Well, after Skazi's Pepsi commercial I think that's good.
What the hell is this? At least the LSD-experience can offer something, religion is usually only talking about. But watching what religion wreaks in the near and middle east, in the US, in Europe, India or Africa I consider religion part of what psychedelic experience could overcome: A neurotically limited world view that aggressively differs the world in good and evil and by that reaches a state of mind that causes pain and suffering to others and by that is one of the few things that deserve to be called evil.
Spirituality is a good thing but is basically an individual practice and therefore just can't be a dogma. As soon as it gets institutionalized it becomes one. And that is the big difference between religion and spirituality (though there are lots of dogmas around in the latter, just think at the new age movement - which I would consider a loose religion).
I don't even know what I find more awkward: a psytrance church or a psytrance commercial. Well, I think both are huge piles of shit that totally contradict what psychedelic is all about: Individual experience, mental growth and increase of awareness. Subordination under a "church" or a "label" is the stupidest thing a human can do. Well, perhabs except submissive military patriotismus but at the end these three things accompany each other perfectly in the destructive expression of human stupidity which Einstein correctly referred to as infinite.
Jesus himself might have been a great "hippie" (I think he was much more), but if so, he would waste his brain away with designer drugs on the dancefloors over the world, if he'd be alive today. And if he still was political he would have already been killed by an Israeli drone or would be rotten away in Guantanamo with a black bag over his head. So why should I care about a guy who has been dead some two thousand years ago!?
And why should my music and the experience I get from it be part of that yesteryear fixation!??
But I wouldn't have expected something like this from Brazil. If ever, than from the US or so. Well, surprises are everywhere.  I love humanity but I hate people. |
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Alias
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 14:53
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On 2007-04-10 14:36, Pete Sideburner wrote:
And if he still was political he would have already been killed by an Israeli drone or would be rotten away in Guantanamo with a black bag over his head.
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usual german hate ideas
dude ..dont take drugs....
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Pete Sideburner
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 15:03
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On 2007-04-10 14:53, Alias wrote:
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On 2007-04-10 14:36, Pete Sideburner wrote:
And if he still was political he would have already been killed by an Israeli drone or would be rotten away in Guantanamo with a black bag over his head.
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usual german hate ideas
dude ..dont take drugs....
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Well, what exactly do you wanted to say with this reply referring to the sentence you quoted from my post? That killing people with drones or detaining them in concentration camps is a good idea that only Germans hate?
Would be a new stereotype to me...
And what does drug consumption has to do with all this!?
Really, I'm puzzled here...
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Alias
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 15:25
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Pete Sideburner
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 16:21
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On 2007-04-10 15:25, Alias wrote:
think twice before you posting!
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Well, this is what I would call an enlightening post. Thanks for your explanations.
But still: 
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wsantos
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 18:50
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| psychedelic is all about: Individual experience, mental growth and increase of awareness. Subordination under a "church" or a "label" is the stupidest thing a human can do. |
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Ditto.
...sorry, but i'm really amazed.
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zen mechanics
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 22:12
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When I was in Alto Paraiso I heard about this as well and met some ppl who are close to this project. Without going into religious aspects (coz I cannot speak for others about their personal beliefs) I got the impression it's a kindof a decoy to 'hack' the system for the purpose of legalizing the psychedelic lifestyle. It is our human right to dance in nature, to take hallucinogenic substances and trance out for days on end. Unfortunately all over the world the powers that be think different, so to claim it's our right as our religion, it might become tolerated. Like the Church of Ganja for instance. The dancefloor is our church, the DJ's are our priests etc. Ludicrous as it may sound, and anti-religion as I am, if it works I think it's a smart move! |
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Yidam
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 23:24
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It's a very ineresting twist to the previous interpretations of religion.
Translating parts of the webpages (Not sure how accurate babelfish is) :
The minimum requirement to be a Shepherd is to be Dj. According to Veet Prayas, the candidate must love Trance the point of wanting to divulge it in all the places for where he will be. "the believers do not beat of door in door pra to speak of the religion of them? The Shepherd of the ITD must follow way the same, only that of form very to melhor.Levar its Bible (Marries of Cds) in all the places for where to walk, or better, to touch."
To be Monge, the person must be in contemplation (in contact with she tresses it) 24 hours per day. In this in case that, it is necessary that the candidate has a monastery (Studio) where he obtains the evolution spiritual through the mind (music production).
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After all these experiences, the Dj says to be today at one another moment of the life. It does not use drugs (also cigarette), it does not drink and it chooses the finger the parties where the acceptance of the people wants to touch "does not search more, glamour that many insist on having. My life today is to live the simple ones ", says the Bispa.
The popularizaĆ§Ć£o of tresses it, together with the diffusion of the drugs in all the electronic scene, is seen by Lane with sadness. For the Dj, it does not have nothing prettier of the one than to hear a music in way the nature that celebrates the peace and the union of the people: "In the Europe it saw three generations of families going for festivals. The proper consumption of drugs is seen and made in one another way. Here everything is mixed. The people live an illusion, an unreal world."
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Currently the Church possesss a site http://igrejadotrancedivino.blogspot.com/ and still a community in the Orkut, "Church of Trance The holy ghost", with 937 members. According to Veet Prayas, the Church is opened the new pilgrims. "We want to join all the loving ones of Trance that believe that the paradise is one rave perpetual", it concludes the Shepherd.
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Zen's got a good point there. It's a definite loophole and after the info above it seems to be more inclined to the music than the drugs. One up.
Every religion has a basis that forms from a good intention. Given into the hands of the masses to spread and preach is whats normally lead to corruption. They cliaim that their 'teachings' are not text/speech based but purely dance/sounds. I really think its hopeful because corruption of that (yes its begun in some forms) is possible but I dont think it can be used to do much harm. People dancing to music. As long as theyre open minded about all forms of music it sounds pretty good. |
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Apr 11, 2007 04:52
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On 2007-04-07 16:16, Alias wrote:
may be you forget it guys .....but psytrance and
especially goa trance had a strong religion roots
in this case ....hinduism....
shiva and other hindu gods were a main motive
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i think all we need is respect each other and other believes!
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This is true. Those who knew trance when it was Goa, had this sensation that the music brought a feeling of ascension to the listeners. Those who got acquainted with trance after 2000 can not understand it. It definetely had a religious touch back then. And IMO Church may sound tacky or kitsch, or whatever, but you watch...if it follow the right path, it may become a benchmark in the trance history. |
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