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christmas party what do you guys think
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kowens
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 12:36
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Just saw this christmas party at Makuhari Messe, on December 25th. music starts at 9.
The reason for this post is I am just curious about what the regulars around the Japan trance scene think.. In my opinion I dont understand why they keep bringing the same god damn artists, I mean yeah they are good but how many times have we seen skazi, gms, astrix, dino, dimitri, ari the alien. I mean there is so many more talented people around too, why not expand instead of just trying to sell a shitload of tickets to the shibuya gals and guys by putting the rockstars of trance on teh lineup..maybe I am crazy but I am so feed up with the same lineups over and over and over and over again..what do you people think?? Oh yeah and not to mention it is ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS for one night, sorry but i dont feel like paying for the new years holiday vacations of the VQ and Solstice staff.
LIVE SET
ASTRIX ( Hommega, ISR)
G.M.S. ( Spun Records, IBZ)
HALLUCINOGEN ( Twisted Records, UK)
SKAZI (( Chemical Crew, ISR)
ALIEN vs THE CAT ((Vision Quest / Tip World )
DJ SET
DIMITRI D.K.N. (Solstice Music )
DINO PSARAS ( Vision Quest )
SOUND: ACOUSTIC , ZACH
VISUALS: M.M.DELIGHT, ZAKURO, DRAGON 2
LIGHTING: EGG HOUSE / BAGS GROOVE
DECORATION: AQUI
LASER: PSYCHOTECH
ADVANCE TICKETS
Advanced: Yen 8,500
Door: Yen 10,000
Advanced tickets available at:
LAWSON TICKET
CISCO
TECHNO.TO
QUINTRIX
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Digital Syndicate
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 13:49
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This just makes something clear to me
Psy Trance is dead
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 15:12
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Kowens, you are not alone. Lots of@people think the same, me included. But try to ignore parties like this one, there are a lot of other good line-ups around. Don't give up, I think this is sort of a wave that surely will hit the sands, and die.
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kloss//
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Posted : Nov 7, 2004 14:31
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because its all about money. the promoters wants to make sure people will come, if they book GMS,skazi,astrix and so on.
Its allmost the same problem in denmark. Allways infected,astrix,eskimo...........
*I want to see some new talented guys!!!!  |
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kirna
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 05:10
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you guys should go to 6-dimesion partys!!  |
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kowens
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 04:37
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shed-I definitely feel what your saying, and thanks goa-ganges for the support, its good to know that other people are feed up with solstice and VQ two, they have taken the scene they love and destroyed it by trying to mold it to the masses and make a dime out of it, why not keep it a sacred precious hobbie and retain the magic, these two organizations have lost my respect. |
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dance&smile
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 04:45
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in a lot of perspectives it does feel like psy has outgrown itself into becomin just another genre of night-life.. nothing can stay new forever folks.. and vision & sols are old, they're just doin what they've been doin eversince the scene was a fledgling one in japan..(the scene just got huge, and they've grown with it right? but yes, inviting new talent would be something i would ask of them..)
and ya like goa-ganges says, ignore the parties like this if it ain't for you, and look for the ones that are for you..
the scene is tooo big for everything in it to stay within ur sphere of liking...
too many people, too many opinions, that is waht freedom is about thoough no? for people to do waht they wanna..
but there are always new organizers that will have good parties. or new personal discoveries that will make u luv psy more.
and for me, thats why i continue goin to as many parties as possible.
as for this party, indeed, mostly the same peoples that were already here this year for vision and sols.
actually all of them except for hallucinogen! (is it worth payin this much just for the want of seein simon play?? hmm. very debatable..)
will be packed with no room to dance....
hmm.. but simon shall be wonderful.. hmm.. hard to decide on, this one.
ps, and kirna, u are right, if u have not been to 6-d sound parties before and are craving for some kind of rejuvinizing of your faith in psy trance in japan, you guys should definitely go GO GO! |
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Digital Syndicate
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 04:20
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i think its worth to pay if simon posford plays all new music material hehe but i guess not.
On the other hand, Simon Posford can make this party different too.
The way of SOLSTICE and VISIONQUEST have been doing for the scene made it boring, they just repeat the same thing over and over....they do NOT even support local artists either haha
shed
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kowens
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 10:39
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Shed you are absolutely right, you said exactly my thoughts...people come on here and say oh well dont go if you dont like it, no shit i wouldnt go because i wouldnt support this type of party..but the fact is these organizations (Vision quest, and solstice) helped create the scene here, but after around 2001 they are responsible for destroying it, because they realize it is better to make money and appeal to types of undesirable people(people all about drugs, gangsters, and generally people with bad attitudes). THey should be held responsible for this demise of the scene, so please spare me with the scene is too big, and all the other stuff i have heard before dance and smile, this is my point, they need to be held accountable.......but there are still some nice organizations out there trying to do something so respect to them |
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HIKARI
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 19:02
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Well you wont be seeing me at this party.
Personally what would bring me is,
Sub 6
well for sure you have to give the big organzations respect, but at the same time i feel sorry for them too. They`ve become so big that they cannot throw a underground party or a party with names that nobody knows. |
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dance&smile
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Posted : Nov 11, 2004 03:49
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kowens, i have to wonder... i didn't know that the organizers themselves wanted this to happen.. if you've actually heard and know for a fact that they actually thought it better to appeal to undesirables and are doing so, then that would make me feel very sad..
but i have a feel that a lot of the fault has nothin to do with the ORganizers movin in that direction purposefully, but more that the japanese media etc. spread the news that these parties are the 'in' thing right now and that is the reason why they have become what they are now.. and u know the power of word-of-mouth 'kuchikomi' within japanese as well..
and yes, once now it has become like this, i understand HIKARI's point of view.. it would be hard for them to change their course all of a sudden and invite underground artists.. they have already made the scene too big, they prob. feel they have a responsibility to be the 'VISION, SOLS' that 'everyone' has got to know...(though for me, if they did this, it would be AWESOME!)
i personally would like to believe that it's probably just in between, that they have to think about the parties with a corporate attitude to some extent now for sure (a huge org with lots of people working, label, and properties and stuff, or course they have to make money to maintain) but they still believe (like us) in good parties & i still believe that they want to make good parties...
but for me, there definitely is one thing i don't understand... the artists they bring over, exactly the same.. that is sorta mindboggling.. i understand that they want to promote their artists, but..
maybe if they invite new artists that are not very known, the undesirable population will slowly thin out.
but maybe they truly believe that their artists make the best music in the world.. and there is no other groups worth calling over.. hmm..
anywayz i don't know the insides of the scene and what the people who organize are really thinkin, but i just thought i'd throw out some thoughts.. it just makes me wonder.. |
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Digital Syndicate
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Posted : Nov 11, 2004 11:02
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well hope this helps your wonder about why they bring the same artists, D&S.
They have (at least annual) contract with artists/label.
1.An organizer brings the artists and if they do not want them to play at the other party, then they will make promises and cotracts with artists which would say EXCLUSIVITY .
2. An organizer contracts as an exclusive deal with the label. Then label can send new artists or artists who is releasing new album. This organizer will have exclusive deal and be able to make party with those artists. This calls Label Artists Promotion by label.
3. They can be too afraid to gamble by bringing unknown artists for the first time. Maybe they will come up with nothing
Also like Solstice, if they are releasing album/compilation then some distributor ask them to make release party, sometimes this include within its deal too.
It is my understanding that for many ppl comes to party recently want Gurantee.
Not like I wanted surprise and excitment in the past hoho.
shed
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dance&smile
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Posted : Nov 12, 2004 04:39
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hmm, thnx digital syndicate.. interesting info. so these orgs and artists are bound together contractually.. guess they're doin pretty much what the corporate music industry does...
that really narrows the possibility of freedom it seems. now i understand why the same artists come. i guess there's nothin much that can be done for this phenomenon then. and i understand now kowens, if there is a feeling of not wanting to support this way of party organizing. (sorry bout my posts if thy bored ya kowens..)
but o well, at this point in time, i guess there has to be this separation within the scene..
huge corporate style organization, and the grassroots style orgs..
VIS & SOLS i guess have to bear the brunt of the burden now for the huge japanese crowds... (cuz if they weren't here, i guess the undesirables will start porin into even the underground parties.. i shudder to think of that..)
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Digital Syndicate
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Posted : Nov 12, 2004 09:10
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just follow your instinct, dont let yourserlf flow with others
Then you will find your time very enjoyable.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 13, 2004 15:37
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Well my friends I have a very negative vision (quest? eh eh) about organizers. I have a Korean friend who throws parties (not here in Japan, and of course I won't say the name of the party, and you will understand why soon), and his main objective is money. I didn't doubt about it because I joint-ventured with him for some while and we had acid arguments about line-ups. Me, I wanted it as good as possible, he on the other hand wanted "now in the midia" artists for a simple reason: he wanted millions paying for it, and he wanted millions of people because he had a web of ecstasy dealers around the party. It's all money in the end.
As for the NYE party, Hallucinogen is very very good, unique and I am sure that some guys will be surprised by his sounds - which is true trance, not the mainstream thing. I saw him back in 96, and he is a very good DJ, he is worthy the price.
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