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snowflake
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Posted : May 26, 2003 01:31
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I know this issued has been discused over and over again but i want to ask you this:
Is it possible to change the way the music bussines works. so ppl will be able to buy music directly from it's makers (or let say something similar to lables). what i mean is you're dl the file from a certain place that charges you on a one time basis or a monthly basis. so this way you you cut the middleman, and the money goes directly to the artist.
please, i want to have serious answers, especially among all you members that are also makers of music.
don't make it another mp3 wrong/wright thread.
i truely believe that ,from what i know about the situation of cd's vs mp3's, it's the only reasonable way to change the current situation....
what do you say about it?
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dj jaimz
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Posted : May 26, 2003 02:41
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I don't really think that this is a plausible option at the moment.
For one, I certainly wouldn't be willing to pay for an MP3. I buy my music for DJing purposes only, and MP3s are not a high enough quality for me to be happy to play at parties (this is MY opinion, and I'd appreciate it if no-one trys to defend the sound quality of MP3s).
So if we're going to to purchase the music from its makers, or some 'online label', it would have to be in the form of pure audio - which basically leaves the option of downloading a WAV file or getting them to send me a CD.
Downloading a WAV file could be an option in the future, which such bandwidth is cheap and fast. At the moment, it would be quite costly to do so, at least, too costly to be considered a viable alternative to buying a CD from stores.
Purchasing a CD directly from the artist or label then seems to be the only solution left. This is possible, and many labels currently offer this. However it introduces a lot more hassle and inconvenience for both the consumer and the label. A store offers a single point of access to all the available music, and you can have whatever you want sent from one place. Ordering one CD from Israel, another from Sweden, another from France and another from Japan is going to be a major hassle.
You have to understand that labels, distributors, and stores are all there for a reason and all serve to provide you with the best possible access to the music. It's certainly possible that in the future the internet will allow us to access music more directly, but I don't believe that's a possibility just yet. |
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Astral Mike
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Posted : May 26, 2003 05:04
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On 2003-05-26 02:41, dj jaimz wrote:
It's certainly possible that in the future the internet will allow us to access music more directly
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I beleive this will happen eventually.
It's also allowed artists to reach their audience more directly. Personally i feel the music scene will be the first to undergo the major effects of the internet "revolution", where that leads i cant say, but for sure labels will have to become adaptable to this....
I also feel that an artist live "performance" is fundemental to the needs of the scene, for this reason i think that the "bridge" between artist & audience will dissolve & mutate/adapt....
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snowflake
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Posted : May 26, 2003 09:09
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On 2003-05-26 02:41, dj jaimz wrote:
...it would have to be in the form of pure audio - which basically leaves the option of downloading a WAV file....
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so what about maybe, let say, zip files or (i'm not so sure about that....) the ogg vorbis format?
i do understand your point about mp3, and i agree about it (any dj should think this way....). but this is my point, not just sittin and sayin ahh... maybe.... one day...
thechnology is changin everyday, maybe the solution is out there already, or myabe we can put the effort towards makin it possible.
i hope you do agree on that....
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dj jaimz
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Posted : May 26, 2003 09:39
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On 2003-05-26 09:09, snowflake wrote:
so what about maybe, let say, zip files or (i'm not so sure about that....) the ogg vorbis format?
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Ogg Vorbis is no better than MP3. They're both lossy compressors and that's an unacceptable solution. The best you could hope for is to use a lossless compressor, but they can only compress down to 50% of the original file, which still leaves you with a file thats too big for the average consumer's connection.
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On 2003-05-26 09:09, snowflake wrote:
but this is my point, not just sittin and sayin ahh... maybe.... one day...
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Oh, no. Not 'maybe'. Definitely one day. It will be a natural progression, and it will come as no surprise when finally it's possible to easily download, or even stream, pure audio over the internet. It just can't happen yet. Be patient, and please stick with the traditional methods of consumerism until an improved version is possible. |
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snowflake
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Posted : May 26, 2003 10:28
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On 2003-05-26 09:39, dj jaimz wrote:
...which still leaves you with a file thats too big for the average consumer's connection.
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Don't forget that cd's and cd players were very expansive when they started....
I believe that today there are more ppl with good enough internet connection than ppl who could afford cd players when they first came out....
But, don't get me wrong it's god to know that there are ppl that share my vision.... 
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Chi
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Posted : May 26, 2003 13:45
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That's a good idea, but it isn't one size fits all.
I like very much my albums, jewel case/cardboard case, the cover art, the cd art...
But both options would be even better... buy the cd for a price, buy the downloadble lossless compression digital format for half the price... |
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Hodi
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Posted : May 26, 2003 19:43
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i don't like mp3, i prefer cd's, for some reasons:
1. cd's have higher quality
2. i like the cover and the cd box of a new cd ! tracks from the net look cheap and u don't feel like u bought something
3. u need to burn the MP3 after that u waste a lot of money on cd's for burning
4. again: cover,box,cd case insert.... without them i don't feel like i bought a cd.
5. it will be much easier for the traders' mafia to get tracks
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snowflake
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Posted : May 27, 2003 01:32
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Not even for one second i'm offering that ppl will pay for mp3, leave those mp3 alone.
What i'm talking about buying the music in a format that is the same quality as wav files (it can't take to long till someone will find a solution to this).
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As for myself, what can I do, I couldn't care less about the cover of the cd... (after all, when I buy a cd it goes straight into my cd case and the cover get all dusty and preety much useless....).
I'm basing my idea on this 2 guidelines:
1. Keep the quality of the music as it should be.
2. Get the consumers (that is us) to pay less for the music they like WITHOUT damaging the artists income.
Would you hate having a chance to get the music that way?
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Panzer
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Posted : May 27, 2003 17:29
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CDs are at the end of their lifecycle... Pretty inexusable that music doesn't support 5.1 or 7.1 dolby surround...
Don't forget that ppl have been buying more DVD and MP3 players than CD players lately...The technology moves forward and pretty quick...Music seems to lag behind when it comes to the technology flow as an pretty old fashioned format (44kHz stereo) is the only source for music.
Digitalisation and portability are also important for consumers, despite the quality loss of compression. Lets be honest here. CD burners are kinda standard in PCs...MP3 players need to be filled with digital files from PC...
U can't stop consumers from using and wanting the latest technology...That this leads to the advent of conventional CDs...its only natural.
How labels and musicians can cope with the technological flow...Dunno...but with copyright protected CDs, they are not gonna win back the lost terrain.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 27, 2003 17:58
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On 2003-05-26 09:39, dj jaimz wrote:
...which still leaves you with a file thats too big for the average consumer's connection.
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there is not problem with downloading 650mb image, if the download speed is good.
most people have, or have friends with fast connection.
in fact, i don't think i know a person without access to a fast connection + burner. and it's not that i live in a rich area or something.
i think that having both options would be cool. downloading for dj's and for albums i don't really like. and sleek cd boxes for my favorite ones.
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traveller
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Posted : May 27, 2003 18:01
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there are some burners that even "burn" the cd art to the cd..
and if you have good printer then you'll also have the artwork..
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 27, 2003 18:03
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On 2003-05-26 09:39, dj jaimz wrote:
...which still leaves you with a file thats too big for the average consumer's connection.
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there is not problem with downloading 650mb image, if the download speed is good.
most people have, or have friends with fast connection.
in fact, i don't think i know a person without access to a fast connection + burner. and it's not that i live in a rich area or something.
i think that having both options would be cool. downloading for dj's and for albums i don't really like. and sleek cd boxes for my favorite ones.
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Quite interesting !!!! I thought that most people NOT living in rich areas could NOT afford a fast internet connection, cd-burners and a computer....... I must ahve been missinformed by the many many people that complain that they can't afford the music because they are oh so poor  ..... Or did I hallucionate totally? |
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Borris
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Posted : May 27, 2003 18:41
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Christian, a burner costs in israel like 4-5 original CD's a fast contection is like 2 CD's a month, and comps are cheap and last a while.
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 27, 2003 19:00
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I was being ironic Boris |
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