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BPM/Tracklist Case Inserts - PLZ!
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 18:40
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On 2007-06-13 18:24, hip wrote:
Well I don't know.... don't you have ears?
There is this strange phenomena, a trick a lot of djs use - when you listen to the track, you can ACTUALLY hear if its faster (or slower) then the one you're mixing into.
Or even a better one - if you actually practice mixing for a month or two, you will be able to beatmach without a bpm counter. Really.
So, I still don't see a point with the bpm listings.
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Why not?
Sure, every respectable DJ should be able to beatmix without knowing the BPM beforehand, but with that handled years ago, I don't see the reason why I can't have the BPM's written down in my case along with the tracklists. Just call me lazy, but it saves me a bit of time to have the BPM at hand - time which can be spent improving the mix, visiting the toilet, getting a blowjob or just relaxing my ears a bit 
Rejecting the thought of tracklists with because it's just not "cool" or not something a "REAL DJ" uses is just stubborn bollocks in my opinion...
Remember, the crowd doesn't care one bit if you have the BPM written down, as long as what comes out of the speakers have them moving and grooving. And why should they care?  DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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hip
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 19:05
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pr0fane, I get your point. And I can partially agree with it. The blowjob part, to be more precise
I just think that everyone should learn how to mix in order to become a dj. You can call me oldfashioned, I won't mind. It's just my opinion.
But I don't agree that the crowd doesn't care how you do it.
If they didn't care, then you could have live-acts faking their sets with pre-recored stuff.
Oh wait! We already have that in our scene!
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J
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 19:06
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On 2007-06-13 18:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
I've started printing out my own, copying the information from the CD booklet. White paper, Arial 14-point - neat and very easy to read.
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One of the best things I've done, for the past 3 years.
But I use "Verdana 9"! It's smaller.
And I toltally agree with you guys. DJs must know to beatmatch without a BPM counter.
But it's very nice just to see things organized, imo. Complete information.
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On 2007-06-13 19:05, hip wrote:
But I don't agree that the crowd doesn't care how you do it.
If they didn't care, then you could have live-acts faking their sets with pre-recored stuff.
Oh wait! We already have that in our scene!
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Very true!!! 
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chapodelic
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 22:22
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On 2007-06-13 17:43, hip wrote:
What do you need BPMs for?
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to make the beatmatch without headset... |
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GorillaDust
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Posted : Jun 13, 2007 22:29
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Well in all reality I started this thread just wanting to get insets with CDs I purchased rather than having to write stuff out by hand. Printing em's cool, and I guess I should probably hop on that train.
As for BPMs...I dunno, I've been playing for a while and still, especially when I get new tracks, like to know the BPMs at a glance, sorry. Beatmatching is fine without 'em, but at times goes faster with them in mind ahead of time, y'know. Not always necessary, but nice to have and can save a good 20 seconds here and there.
In terms of information on inserts I think it's a legitimate desire to have on there, as well as track names and keys. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 00:10
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GorillaDust
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 00:28
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It's true, but I think people who choose tracks strictly on a BPM basis are (as far as I know) a rare breed... |
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 14, 2007 02:08
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Choosing tracks only by BPM is unrealistic, most tracks don't mix perfectly.
It is unrealistic even to choose tracks by BPM and Key, even though their mix may sound nice placing restrictions on what to play next is not recommended.
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On 2007-06-13 22:29, GorillaDust wrote:
In terms of information on inserts I think it's a legitimate desire to have on there, as well as track names and keys.
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I definitely agree. We must remember that not everyone who buy CDs is a professional DJ, me for instance. Though I can mix reasonably well, sometimes some friends come to my place and they certainly benefity from the DJ insert I designed, it is easier for them to learn and to have fun.
Also as mentioned before, it is good looking to have a case full of colorful originals with nice inserts.
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karmakanik
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Posted : Jun 15, 2007 22:45
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On 2007-06-14 00:10, Colin OOOD wrote:
I can't help thinking that if you're choosing which tracks to play by the BPMs, there's a subtle point which has been missed somewhere down the line. Something to do with emotion and atmosphere and maybe even the word 'journey'.
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i agree with you in theory colin, but realistically there's a limit to what one can accomplish with the pitch slider... IMHO, i think most tracks start to sound worse after they've been pitched up/down by 4-5% or more... a point of diminishing returns as it were... either they sound too fast and chirpy or too slow and plodding, not to mention it takes a bit away from the artists' intent.
of course i don't pick out tracks to play that are all the same bpm, but i have tracks sorted into "clusters" of sorts within 5 bpms or so of each other... so say for example i'm playing a set at 130 and want to bump it up to 135 or so... first I would pitch up the track that is playing so i don't have to pitch down the cued track as much... thereby preserving more of the original sound...
so yeah, i guess what i'm saying is i too like bpm inserts |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 01:49
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On 2007-06-14 02:08, full_on wrote:
It is unrealistic even to choose tracks by BPM and Key, even though their mix may sound nice placing restrictions on what to play next is not recommended. |
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It works when you have a bazillion songs to choose from 
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mquirk1
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Posted : Jun 17, 2007 08:19
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On 2007-06-16 01:49, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2007-06-14 02:08, full_on wrote:
It is unrealistic even to choose tracks by BPM and Key, even though their mix may sound nice placing restrictions on what to play next is not recommended. |
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It works when you have a bazillion songs to choose from
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A bazillion songs? I think you need to improve your quality control 
And I like those slips as well, if only because I'm always forgetting which track on a VA is which, so saves time going through every track of a CD I put in and finding which one I want (especially when a lot of CDs don't have the in-built track info that comes up on the CDJ's screens). |
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tinks
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Posted : Jun 28, 2007 14:44
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what happens in the case when like goa gil - world bridger
all the bpm's are listen but they are not right ..
all of them are about .25-.15% slower than their listd BPM's and this is from my original cd
so in some cases listed bpms can be a disadvantage as you think something is wrong and you waist time figuring it out.... |
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tinks
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Posted : Jun 28, 2007 14:45
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i prefer having them noted down ... it saves me time
but if you cant beat match without using bpm's then you better start learning |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 28, 2007 20:38
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Jun 28, 2007 21:00
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does is work on a smartphone?
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