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Bipolar Disorder triggered by Psychedelic drugs?
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jan 14, 2010 10:45
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i spoke to some tibetan doctors as well as shamans about bipolar disorder and they both seem of the view that 99% of all psychiatric problems are man made. they said that the human mind is like the earth, always in motion and always active, much of the brain activity is dependent on the ability to perceive and sometimes what we perceive does not match with the reality (physical) which we currently experience. to them bipolar is not a disease its more like a deep state of being where the duality of the mind diappears. the reason why it is labelled a problem is because very few individuals have the capability to rid themselves of this duality. Bipolar is like an iceberg from Antarctica that found its way to the Arctic circle..
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Posted : Jan 20, 2010 18:49
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One thing I've found after many psychedelic trips is that one becomes very suggestible. Sometimes when you've opened your whole being after taking a psychedelic, it's very easy to believe in something, that is totally illusional. After that you can live in that illusion for a long time before you realise it.
Whatever happens - continue your searching. As someone above said - exactly that mental issue could be the way to become aware, to find your way through.
The psychedelic experiences can be very deep and profound, and every such experience is a shock to your system - it is like when you throw rocks in a lake, each splash in the water forms waves which spread along the lake and it takes time for the water to be calm again. The same is with the shocks - too may shocks to your system will disturb the ballance. Some time is needed for each single experience to be realised. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 02:21
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On 2010-01-14 10:45, Xolvexs wrote:
i spoke to some tibetan doctors as well as shamans about bipolar disorder and they both seem of the view that 99% of all psychiatric problems are man made. they said that the human mind is like the earth, always in motion and always active, much of the brain activity is dependent on the ability to perceive and sometimes what we perceive does not match with the reality (physical) which we currently experience. to them bipolar is not a disease its more like a deep state of being where the duality of the mind diappears. the reason why it is labelled a problem is because very few individuals have the capability to rid themselves of this duality. Bipolar is like an iceberg from Antarctica that found its way to the Arctic circle..
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Interesting indeed!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 02:23
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On 2010-01-20 18:49, EgoKilleR wrote:
One thing I've found after many psychedelic trips is that one becomes very suggestible. Sometimes when you've opened your whole being after taking a psychedelic, it's very easy to believe in something, that is totally illusional. After that you can live in that illusion for a long time before you realise it.
Whatever happens - continue your searching. As someone above said - exactly that mental issue could be the way to become aware, to find your way through.
The psychedelic experiences can be very deep and profound, and every such experience is a shock to your system - it is like when you throw rocks in a lake, each splash in the water forms waves which spread along the lake and it takes time for the water to be calm again. The same is with the shocks - too may shocks to your system will disturb the ballance. Some time is needed for each single experience to be realised.
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So true! Thanks for sharing |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 02:24
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So many great teachers in this section of the forum, i am blessed to take part of this! I Love you people!
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kambro
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 02:25
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On 2010-01-14 10:45, Xolvexs wrote:
i spoke to some tibetan doctors as well as shamans about bipolar disorder and they both seem of the view that 99% of all psychiatric problems are man made. they said that the human mind is like the earth, always in motion and always active, much of the brain activity is dependent on the ability to perceive and sometimes what we perceive does not match with the reality (physical) which we currently experience. to them bipolar is not a disease its more like a deep state of being where the duality of the mind diappears. the reason why it is labelled a problem is because very few individuals have the capability to rid themselves of this duality. Bipolar is like an iceberg from Antarctica that found its way to the Arctic circle..
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Interesting indeed!
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Thank you Xolvexs this was the point of view I was looking for ...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 01:55
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I don't think it's an argument that you can really screw yourself up mentally and/or physically by not paying psychedelics and the psychedelic experience proper respect. There are people who spend lifetimes trying to achieve some sort of enlightenment, and the ones who do in their own way seem to do so on much more solid mental and emotional ground than the ones who try to take the quick and dirty way (meaning drugs) to achieve the same. It's a safe bet in my opinion that those who do drugs just for the sake of doing them tend to end up taking it all for granted and are even more likely to cause harm.
Semi-related... I agree with what was said above about people being more suggestible after such an experience. At the same time, though, I think it also makes people more likely to reject ideas which take effort to understand in favor of outlandish ideas which ironically seem plausible because they are so far removed from things such as logic, facts, and evidence.
I don't really see any higher degree of "enlightenment", "open-mindedness", "compassion", etc. amongst demographics or individuals who regularly use drugs compared with those who don't.
I do see roughly the same amount of unquestioning subscription to ideas, illogical convictions and a lack of critical thinking about things, however. I think this has less to do with drugs and more to do with something more fundamental about the human condition.
Back to the topic, I have personally seen several people hurt or kill themselves through drug use, psychedelic or otherwise, and I ask, was the risk worth it? The answer is almost unequivocally, no. However, I don't really meet people who regret abstaining from drugs beyond the "I wish I could have tried it just so I knew what it was really like". (I don't really hear something similar from drug users -- these sorts of people usually do their best to rationalize and justify and defend what they do as if it's necessary for them to do so.)
People will gladly accept those parts of our world which seem "cool" and reject other aspects (of the very same things sometimes!) that seem "uncool" to them. This happens all across the spectrum of religion, science, technology, history, society, etc. This is critical thinking is hard and because it takes work to actually do the research, analyze information, form one's own opinions, and most importantly, to question the whole package. (Again, fundamental to our nature and having less to do with drugs, however, I don't think the drugs help as much as they may seem to help.)
That is the potential price one pays for what is (in a best case scenario) a knife's-edge method to finding what they are looking for. It's a slippery slope. This is the reason why drugs should be respected for their power and one of the most practical ways of showing that respect is moderation, awareness, education and responsibility. (The fact is however that humans are motivated by self-interest and therefore cannot be trusted to make responsible decisions the majority of the time, so drug users will always have to face this dilemma along their chosen paths.)
By nature, our minds are not necessarily designed to handle such an intake of information at once, or these sorts of drugs would not have the significance and meaning that they do to us. There are certainly dangers to pouring a pitcher sized amount of information into a shotglass sized receptacle. Such as, content will flow over and you could create quite a mess.
Lastly, I didn't write this novel to preach or portray myself as a saint. They are just my ideas and I could easily be wrong or not have a complete grasp of the issue, which is probably the case anyway. I am merely sharing my opinion based on my personal experiences with drugs and life. Which makes it an argument of perception and therefore almost certainly not the entire picture.
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 06:15
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^nice post , 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 10:38
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^nice post ,
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yeah nice post Axis Mundi!
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Feb 9, 2010 09:12
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Kras
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 22:18
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I think that we could be better off if we would look at things in more holistic way. It's not about the drugs but about the individual and his/her environment. All drugs can be beneficial and are potentially poisonous (both physically and mentally). This scene is a definite proof that psychedelics can unleash dormant potency of some individuals.
It's people who take drugs and if they abuse or misuse them then it's their fault. I don't buy this post-modern notion to accuse everything except people. People are not machines, we have free will. If someone doesn't develop and use it, then what can we do? Help them out in their difficult times.
But drugs are just drugs. Neither good, nor wrong. It's our Western attitude that we always want more and we don't listen to any external or internal signals when we are crossing the line. There is such thing as wise psychedelic use.
It's still debatable if psychedelics induce mental problems or if it's abuse is a symptom of surfacing problems. From my point of view it's the self-destructive behavior that lead to drug abuse.
I was abusing drugs but I no longer blame them for that. Those helped me to grow up, develop higher intuition and showed me the potential of spiritual practices. Besides, salvia and cannabis can be great anti-depressants or help to break from monotony of everyday life. Their inspirational potential is huge and I'm still thankful that I was introduced to them. I still use them on irregular basis and I don't see any reason to drop them. Temperance is the key.
"All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous."
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