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damon
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 21:01
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On 2005-07-25 18:14, gatsby wrote:
My own beef was with the dancefloor. There were a hardcore group of dancers who seemed to "get it", but dispersed heavily throughout were droves of standers, talkers, idiots, drunks, preeners, and people inexplicably trying to slowdance to stomp sets.
I felt bad by the number of people I probably elbowed and whacked as I was dancing, but hey they were in the line of fire . . . they never seemed to go away but by around 2:30 a.m. there seemed to be a good place to dance and vibe with others.
I really didn't feel the psy vibe very strong there but it was still fun. Our recent outdoor events have been much better in terms of atmosphere, but I guess in a commercial venue you can't hope for too much. There were just too many people jammed in, too many spectators, and too many who weren't really clear on what was happening.
But I guess that is a compromise I am willing to make to hear the expensive mega-acts in Chicago.
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It's always like this at Vision, Soundbar and other big clubs here in Chicago (crowd@Soundbar during Infected Mushroom set was exactly the same or even worse). There's only one way of changing it: bringing more and more people who are really interested in psytrance music. I spoked with Jay (Pure) about booking more psytrance artists/djs ...hopefully Pure will do what he said (he looked like he was happy with the turnout/crowd response and other things). I can't complain at all. It's the beggining and things can be only better in the future  And I wish You could afford acts like AP or Simon Posford (my next dream to become true ) and book them for next Chilluminati parties Jeff Untill it happens we have to enjoy what others do here in Chicago without bitching |
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famiable
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 21:15
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As a point of reference..when Infected Mushroom came to Chicago to spin at Sound-Bar, they came to the stage to start their setup at 11:45 pm and were all set to perform live by 12am. They had a 1 and a half hour live set approx after which they played a dj set for the rest of the night till the end of the night approx 4:15 am.
I actually prefer Astral's tracks to them but in terms of professionalism I would give more marks to Infected for coming early and mixing with the crowd and making sure that night ended on their note..!!:P
In any case..poor Derby got screwed by Astral as he got to spin for like 15-20 mins..I am just saying that considering that this was their premiere night in Chicago, they could have given more of their time for increasing their fan base..what do other people think ??
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gatsby
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 21:21
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On 2005-07-25 21:01, damon wrote:
Untill it happens we have to enjoy what others do here in Chicago without bitching
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I wasn't really bitching. . . my overall comments about vision and particularly Psymbolic's deco effort and AP's and Init String's performance have been very positive. (I basically missed out on Dan Efex)
But I must give the devil his due, and comment that the transformation was not complete . . . also if we do not balance the positive with the negative, the yang with the yin, the universe will fly off its axis and I can't have that on my conscience . . .
Like you it has also occurred to me that we are in the early stage of development here in the midwest and eventually we will be able to pack clubs with "our kind". Truthfully the only reason Chilluminati events are as big as they are is due to all the ravers that show up (not a bad thing!) so the crowd that knows what psy is and is just coming for that is still not huge.
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famiable
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 21:40
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In support of Jeffery, I think that constructive criticism is crucial to the healthy development of any growing movement.
No one is perfect in this world and if one cannot listen to criticism and learn and improve from it, they will not improve holistically.
In this forum, freedom to express viewpoint in a honest but polite manner is crucial for fresh ideas and development as in any growing organization. This is my [[50 cents]]!! to the discussion..lol
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gatsby
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 22:03
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On 2005-07-25 21:40, famiable wrote:
In this forum, freedom to express viewpoint in a honest but polite manner is crucial for fresh ideas and development as in any growing organization. This is my [[50 cents]]!! to the discussion..lol
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Damon, a henchman of the evil global conglomerate PURE, is just trying to steal my groove.
The answer must be to escalate our bitchiness to whole new levels . . .
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famiable
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 22:26
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Another point I wanted to make is that you have to keep in mind that the absolute total of attending the event was less than that of Geologic. ($10-20 max at Vision as compared to $25-55 at Geologic, depending when and how you bought the tickets)
In terms of absolute cost of attend the event, geologic was still more expensive than Vision keeping in mind that a lot of people stayed for only night..
I think one factor that makes the difference is whether the party is outdoors or indoors..the vibe is completelY different depending upon the ambience. Moreover, Vision being a commercial club that is open on a regular basis has a set of loyal customers that frequent it irrespective of who is playing..I think if we plan and hold well organized gatherings more often, more people will plan to attend our gatherings instead of these clubs.. and we could be a profitable enterprise too..
I dont attach a negative connotation to being profitable..it all depends on DIFFERENTIAL PRICING that can make a hell of a difference..Keeping in mind that I am a business student and that we are in the USA..lol |
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gatsby
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 23:34
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Another point I wanted to make is that you have to keep in mind that the absolute total of attending the event was less than that of Geologic. |
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Are we sure about that?
Door admission with RSVP was $10. $20 if you didn't know about the RSVP. Water was as expensive as booze. I think if you went all night you would be lucky to stay there all night and spend less than $15 on water alone per person.
So I feel the real cost of this event begins to approach or exceed GeoLogic . . . if you base the comparison upon initial GeoLogic prereg price of $30.
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damon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 02:13
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On 2005-07-25 22:03, gatsby wrote:
Damon, a henchman of the evil global conglomerate PURE, is just trying to steal my groove.
The answer must be to escalate our bitchiness to whole new levels . . .
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Hey Jeff, since when You have a monopolly on psyvibe in this city? (j/k). We both know You or any other single person or even collective can not compete with big sharks like PURE. We can only cooperate I guess.
I felt exactly the same 5 years ago after moving to Chicago: why most of local clubs are filled mainly with those strange people who don't give a fuck who's spinning/performing. Then I understood that most of them want just to go out and have fun/drink/score etc. Venues that are not operating on daily basis like Metro or smaller, "underground" clubs like Smartbar bring certain crowd which is dedicated to music. That's how things look like and nothing will change that. We should be happy that we have what we have |
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damon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 02:15
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On 2005-07-25 22:26, famiable wrote:
Another point I wanted to make is that you have to keep in mind that the absolute total of attending the event was less than that of Geologic. ($10-20 max at Vision as compared to $25-55 at Geologic, depending when and how you bought the tickets)
In terms of absolute cost of attend the event, geologic was still more expensive than Vision keeping in mind that a lot of people stayed for only night..
I think one factor that makes the difference is whether the party is outdoors or indoors..the vibe is completelY different depending upon the ambience. Moreover, Vision being a commercial club that is open on a regular basis has a set of loyal customers that frequent it irrespective of who is playing..I think if we plan and hold well organized gatherings more often, more people will plan to attend our gatherings instead of these clubs.. and we could be a profitable enterprise too..
I dont attach a negative connotation to being profitable..it all depends on DIFFERENTIAL PRICING that can make a hell of a difference..Keeping in mind that I am a business student and that we are in the USA..lol
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I think You don't know exactly what are You talking about .... College and real life are 2 different things my friend |
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 02:44
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Wow this party rocked. Thanks to Psymbolic and Pure for having a psy event littered with women. This party was NOT a sausage fest
We had a blast playing. The crowd was great. It was cool meeting AP. You guys are very nice guys indeed. The visuals were great, nice sets by Derby and Dan. Thanks to SOT for sneaking that vodka in you crazy Russian bastard!  Chicago is fun. |
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famiable
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 03:51
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Lol..Damon..I know as much about Hospitality and Finance as would anyone in this Forum considering my bachelors in hospitality and an MBA in Finance..
Calculating the real cost for an event would depend upon various factors like the target demographic location, transportation cost, camping supplies incase of geologic, entry costs, alcohol, candy etc..
I know for sure that Vision didnt sell as much alcohol as they would on a regular saturday night considering the crowd had a lot of candy and were mainly buying water from the bar!! i over heard a couple of waitresses cribbing about this. Even the entry charges were subsidized at $10 for Psymbolic and Spunn which is normally 15-20$(which is Differential Pricing in real life)
Although I dont want to make this discussion into an argument, your statement
"I think You don't know exactly what are You talking about .... College and real life are 2 different things my friend"
is not needed, specially when you dont know what my qualifications are and what I do in real life..you are definately entitled to your opinion though!!
Boom!
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gatsby
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 03:53
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On 2005-07-26 02:13, damon wrote:
I felt exactly the same 5 years ago after moving to Chicago: why most of local clubs are filled mainly with those strange people who don't give a fuck who's spinning/performing. Then I understood that most of them want just to go out and have fun/drink/score etc. Venues that are not operating on daily basis like Metro or smaller, "underground" clubs like Smartbar bring certain crowd which is dedicated to music. That's how things look like and nothing will change that. We should be happy that we have what we have
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I totally agree with you and I am very happy with Chicago, with the club scene and the rest. I am very aware of how incredibly hard it is to make money running a club.
I have lived in Chicago for over 20 years now and have heard plenty of stories about both New York and San Francisco. I know we have it good here, but I still am proud to be a crank and let loose with what have you. I'll tell you what . . . |
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damon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 06:44
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On 2005-07-26 03:51, famiable wrote:
Lol..Damon..I know as much about Hospitality and Finance as would anyone in this Forum considering my bachelors in hospitality and an MBA in Finance..
Calculating the real cost for an event would depend upon various factors like the target demographic location, transportation cost, camping supplies incase of geologic, entry costs, alcohol, candy etc..
I know for sure that Vision didnt sell as much alcohol as they would on a regular saturday night considering the crowd had a lot of candy and were mainly buying water from the bar!! i over heard a couple of waitresses cribbing about this. Even the entry charges were subsidized at $10 for Psymbolic and Spunn which is normally 15-20$(which is Differential Pricing in real life)
Although I dont want to make this discussion into an argument, your statement
"I think You don't know exactly what are You talking about .... College and real life are 2 different things my friend"
is not needed, specially when you dont know what my qualifications are and what I do in real life..you are definately entitled to your opinion though!!
Boom!
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Did You try to throw a party? |
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damon
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 06:46
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On 2005-07-26 03:53, gatsby wrote:
I know we have it good here, but I still am proud to be a crank and let loose with what have you. I'll tell you what . . .
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Go ahead |
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damon
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On 2005-07-25 21:21, gatsby wrote:
Truthfully the only reason Chilluminati events are as big as they are is due to all the ravers that show up (not a bad thing!) so the crowd that knows what psy is and is just coming for that is still not huge.
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I agree. But sometimes some ravers = frat boys from big club - they really don't care about music because .... |
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