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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 00:31
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When should an artist release an album?
I feel that there are too much artists releasing albums before they have the experience and maturity for it.
You see so many new artists with albums after only one or two tracks out on a compilation. This causes an album which is just a compilation of tracks, without any story - and most of the time the tracks are too much alike, which also makes it less interesting.
imo, albums should be released only after an artist has developed a unique style (where do you see that today? heh) - and only when he can express a story in an album. Most albums lack this...
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Dovla
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 00:46
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most albums today are meant for a dj set, not for home listening, that's how the whole full on thing works now...you can't listen to most of it at home anymore so no one bothers to be original and make a story out of an album, of course there are exceptions as always
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pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 00:56
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You could definatly say that some artists (and labels) are to quick to release albums. But on the other hand there has been some excellent albums this year from newcomers, with only a couple of released tracks behind 'em.
Take for instance the albums from AKD, Cosmic Tone, Faktor-D and Oszilla. All of very high quality in my opinion. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 01:01
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pr0fane, the Cosmic Tone album isn't well built, as an album, imo. The tracks order is confusing, it's like 2 styles were put together without any thought.
Also, story telling albums such as MFG - NKoW doesn't have to be "mixed" really, in contrast to Younger Brother.
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 02:09
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I think today for an artist to release an album is top priority... you have to look at it from another perspective Mike:
since trance is what these artist are or trying to do as the main financial income in their lives, an album is a very smart move. its like a resume... (c.v), when someone wants to be booked, they are looked at and examined, especially internationally where the serious money is.
meaning:
1. how many years have they been around
2. how many albums have they released
3. what is their popularity and so on...
the "how many albums" part is key for them in negociation of price for the show, or for some, the clincher of the deal in the first place.
since mp3's (without sidetracking at all) are a reality, and a big percentage does not purchase music in the psytrance world, artists and labels both depend on profit from the booking alot more then usual in other markets. the albums act in this case is like a business card, it is a way to say: hello this is me, i have done this and that, you can see for yourself.
regarding what this does to the market is a whole other thread. i think it saturates our psy scene with more lesser quality releases, immature as you suggested might be too harsh, but certainly a rushed feeling is felt. i get the sense in some artist albums sometimes that a mad frenzy was going on in the studio in search of the last 3-4 tracks so this album could be complete time length wise.
so what i'm saying is: its more about getting your foot in the door with the 1st one, then sitting down and conetrating more on the 2nd and/or 3rd albums where you may be able to "breath" as an artist after making some $$ and being able to sit down and seriously release a thoughtful piece of art.
this is how things are today, whether we like it or not... i enjoy compilations lately more since the tracks are more carefully selected and i feel the quality is higher.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 02:38
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well how many albums has hux flux released? exactly one and they've been around longer than 99% of psytrance artists. artists do get contracts way too easily. i'd imagine the albums would sell a lot better if the labels wouldn't push out a new release every single month. it really is quantity over quality these days if you ask me. then again maybe it's just me, but take TIP and SST for example.. both used to be my fav labels.. now i don't even bother the cheack out their webpages for new releases.. especially tip's.. sad but true..
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 02:50
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traveller, hux flux's 1st album is an exception to my explanation since it came out in the "old days" before the mass explosion.
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nova
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 08:49
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nowadays there's a ruff compation between the lables... i think they are doing it to keep their head out of the water and qulity is not in first place anymore...
about the Djs...
i think by releasing albums so fest they are not giving them selfs a chance to be promoted proparly or get some expirionce to built their own style.
i wanna take sub6 for example... there is no album out yet but they promoted themself so good with the tracks they released and their preformans. they build a very good image over the time so ppl are expacting a good album to come out. if thats was their goal or not, they created some high expatation for their album.
im not talking about taste, if you like them or not, its just an exsample wich how imo artists should work. theres alote of exsamples like this.
after riching a good quality tracks and proper image, then its time for them to release an album.
so it takes a little time but most likely that the profits will be better.
but no one wants to slow down a bit... time is money.
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 09:56
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Mike,
You are absolutely right about this.
In fact, in contradiction to Surrender's words, releasing an album too soon is the biggest mistake of an artist who wants to be appreciated and remembered for more years to come.
And it is seen very clear - when an artist releases too soon - the album just sounds like a bunch of collection of tracks. I believe that the label is responsible in persuading the artist into doing this with money proposals and so on.
btw, an artist might think that his premature album is very good at the time, but after he releases his second album - he might aknowledge that his first album was a too-soon release.
There is nothing wrong in letting the young artist get to know the world he just entered a bit better and it takes a some time.
It's only a good thing to let important things happen later than when you really anxious them to happen.
cheer a beer.
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black_dew
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 10:07
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i think artists are rushing into "releasing an album" because...its a fact that until the artist doesnt release an album, nobody makes an effort to find some interest in him.
album is way more impressive than a single track in a compilation.
the album give u a sirious push in everything !
self confidence, parties, financial support, fans and more...
all the glory come with the album . |
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shahar
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 11:31
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Well said Mike, Traveller & Trip. Nothing much to add.
Fact is that I have only one trance album to listen to at home from the last year- Cosma.
I won't name names, but there are few artists that rushed to release in the last 2 years- even more than one album- I promise you no one will remember them for it in a month or two.
Quality lasts, quality will bring quantity in the end.
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 11:39
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As an artist (which is a part of a group) i think releasing that piece of plastic is essential.
ur not out there till it's out.
It’s more like promotional act than an financial one cause with low quantities sold in our scene and all these mp3 DL u'd be lucky to cover expanses.
But when the little plastic thingy is out there u get some kind of official recognition of the so-called "industry".
Still, there is no excuse for releasing shit just for the sack of releasing...
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 12:22
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What's the point in releasing the album for promotional purposes?
imo, it would be much better for you, the listeners and the labels if you take for example 4 tracks from your album (which you think best) and instead release themon various compilations. If these tracks are any good, you're gonna get yourself a reputation, and also a wider audience since you released on 4 cd's and not 1.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 12:38
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I agree with Mike here. After releasing quite a lot of albums over time I can tell you that releasing an album has nothing to do with promotion - well of course it's also promotion but it's more a product as a result of previous promotion. The promotion come before releasing the album. With compilation tracks, singles ect ect. The album is the icing on the cake and will establish (hopefully) the artist/band as a full-grown artist/band and strenghten the ties to the audience.. So yes of course it's promotion as everything else is but it's more a product of previous promotion leading up to it... THE EXAM if you can call it that  |
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Phanatic
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 16:01
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hey mike
oki what i think is:
first of all u need to build your name...
try to relesed somthing like 7 8 tracks in other complations and then that every body know u...(and love your music)
then work on alboum ..
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