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Xolvexs
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Feb 9, 2010 16:42
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love those 2 freaks from Finland, other way to do travel docu's then lonely planet or.... commercial ones.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 21:29
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In fact I dont eat anything that was or is alive, so I dont eat meat or veggies.
I just eat the same food on pills and synthetic stuff that is given to astronauts.
veggies are just to cruel on poor plants, they have nobody to speak for them 
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 21:45
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On 2007-06-24 19:48, TAS wrote:
Shaktycat:
Didnīt find any scientific evidence about the climate changes because of people eating meat. Maybe Iīm stupid but I really didnīt see any evidence. Just pictures and some words...
Those horrible pictures about how the animals were raised is just a way to get into ppl hearts. Iīm sorry but I have seen to much on tv/documentaries etc and I know what kinda pictures/movies that are suppossed to get into ppl head. I donīt like these kinda mindwrenching videos... I wanīt pure facts that scientistīs presents... and I havenīt seen any scientistīs that take up this "problems" mentioned in that clip you added...
And all reports was from South and North America? Seems that the problems layes there then. I still donīt see the problem and the way my food, THE MEAT, destroys or make climate changes. I can choose wich farm my meat comes from, and I certenly donīt eat meat from other contries. That is just stupid... I buy my meat from a regular store here in my town but the meat comes from a local farmer a couple of miles from here. They donīt mass produce meat as many other companies does and the smaller the company is... the better they threat the animals cause they are dependent on it and need to get permission from health departments etc before they can start something like this...
Ppl should not stop eating meat because of some stupid farmers doesnīt know how to raise animals in a healthy way. itīs just walking money for them and I think that is a very sad thing. But not all farmers are like that. Some farmers really take care of their animals and must have them to survive for themself. This is the way of nature and a farmer is one of the oldest occupations...
So... the problem is the idiots that only wants to make money and does not care about the animals at all... thatīs the source of this shit. And one thing that we as people can do is to buy meat etc from a local farmer. then you would not have these shit... but guess thatīs harder in bigger countries then mine...
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Wow some people is so ignorant these days.
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Fometrius
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Fometrius
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I believe that the biggest problem however is the common view of the value of animals.They are often treated like products or slaves and get a very cruel treatment.The worst spot of the suffering for animals are the meatindustry.Some people think that animals does not have any rights and that they therefore can be treated in any way they want,that it would be like a product of some sort.
Many companys who produces and sell meat wants to earn as much money as possible and then they want to spend as little money as possible.To give animals better conditions and a better environment and treatment cost money and if you want to earn as much as possible then you want to pay as little as possible.There we have a big problem.Animals are not products,they are living beings just as yourself with very similiar feelings and needs."They" are another form of you.The meatindustry should be changed completely and only be owned by the state (so it not are controlled by greed and egoism which are the root of this problems) and have strict rules with would give the animals a much much better situation.
I know that this situation is like when we back in the history did alot of things that we now today think was wrong and bad.We will think the same way of our ways of treating animals and nature in the current timeline in the coming future.This issue is like in the past when we did alot of things wrong,but this is how life works.Old thinking systems are replaced by new ones.The old view of thinking and behaving changes.
This whole process is like a ladder and we have to take one step at the time.Some people may already be many steps ahead in their own thinking but one has to realize that many people are very limited in their thinking and only copies and follows other peoples ideas about life without thinking for themselfes.Just like most people always have done in history.Luckily after a while people starts to listen inside to the real right and changes the world when things are to wrong.Just as history has been showing us.But it can be frustrating to see what is going on,it is like being in the old times and see people burn witches and stand and watch and then know that it is just wrong and bullshit.
So what is the solution then one might ask.I would say that there are many possible ways to walk from now on.Any that it contains many steps in the ladder but we have to focus at one at the time.What we have to do now is to change alot of things.We have to change our whole attitude towards nature and start to work on our compatibility with nature.Start to repair the damage that already have been done and stop doing more.We have to change the meatindustry,that is were the most suffering is.It is really like a living hell and is far far worse then what we can imagine.For all of you who complains about life and are unhappy with your situation,try to switch with a animal from the meat industry and see how it feels.Then know that the way you would feel about it the animals already feel.
For one who eats flesh the most important thing when buying meat should be to get meat that has been living as wild as possible.That is the most natural way of consuming a animal and gives the animal as little suffering as possible.It is also much better for your health ,the animals in the meatindustry gets bad food and treatment and produces lots of hormones and body fluids inside the meat that gives you bad feelings and make you feel bad.To avoid that kind of meat(if you eat meat) you should instead get wild meat or buy meat that has been living under strictly ecological terms,to be living in a ecological environment does often not mean that it is how it should be but it is at least better then the usual way.The best way of consuming meat is to consume meat that is as wild as possible.
We have large problems today with nature,the air being polluted,the dead seas,suffering amongst the animals,the forest cut down, alot of forest cut down just to grow food for the animals in the meatindustry that some of us eat,
and many animal species getting extinct etc.Every species play a important function in the picture,just like a cog in a wheel.If you put out to many cogs the whole wheel stops to spin.
We have to look at our compatibility with nature and start to work with it.The problem is not us but it is our way of thinking.If we change our way of thinking and behaving and start to live in symbios with nature then we can solve this.We have to do so,there is no other way.What we see in life and how we act and behave is a product of what we think from inside.
We are now starting to see the fruits of what we have planted.We could say what our earlier way of thinking have planted,if we change our way of thinking then we will have other fruits.We do and act as a result of what we think.And that is why we have to change our way of thinking because if we do not start to think in another way nothing will happen.But we have already started to think in another way that is why many of us want us to behave and act in another way and change our way of living.That is the only way to solve this problems and we will change just as we already have done so many times before in history.And this change is happening right now.
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Fometrius
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 00:18
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There is alot of soya protein beefs,sausages and hamburgers etc which taste and look exactly like ordinary meat (if not better),one should try them out,they have as much protein as usual meat but have no parts of animals in them.They taste extremely good and fresh.They can be found in many food stores. |
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 18:46
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This is mostly because of extreme over population... thats another big problem... which is actually connected to wat we r talkin... If there wasnt so much population explosion the need to clear so much rainforest wudnt have been there for any purpose, need for Big meat industries wudnt have been there..,. there wud have have been more space for animals to roam around and be wild.,. so many animals need not have to be butchered etc etc etc.... see how we humans create so many problems... we r the problem child of the mother earth... at the same time we have the potential to realize our mistakes and change ourselves and take the right path, live in harmony and peace with nature and animals and ascend ourselves and the planet earth to higher dimension of existance... Anyone interested ?
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Jingabé
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According to the documentary HOME by Yann Arthus-Bertrand, 85% of the soya being planted today is destined to the cattle-raising industry, to feed the cows that feed our meat consumption. So your point is really another argument for the veggies...
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Feb 18, 2010 21:02
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ok, like someone already mentioned, if now days there are independent pharmers dedicating them to raise small numbers of animals, and those been feeded by natural resources only, and treated well, I know personally some in Holland and Belgium, so i just avoid to buy my meat from the supermarkets and big butchers. anywaqy if one wants to do it right it is possible nowdays in most countries, I was just appointing that being a veggie does not mean you are saving the worls, cause one thing you are saving another you are destrying. like radioactive acidhead mentioned the main problem is the over population. and by increasing it there would be more and more need for food. of any kind. also to mention that there are many places in the world where people can not choose to be a vegetarian as there is a lack of alternatives!
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