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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 22:54
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what books with you recommend regarding chakra meditation
  `Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end` Mandelbrot |
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 23:18
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On 2004-10-07 22:27, Dimitri wrote:
Same thing i can say about alternative medicine it was invented to make money from dreaming ppl so it does .
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I agree, that a lot of people nowadays use alternative medicine as a buisiness too.
But it is not true, that it was invented for that reason.
The schamans of the amazon for example are not allowed to make money from their knowledge, because it is looked at as using universal knowledge for your own profit.
That is also one reason, why these people kind of get ripped off their knowledge.
Curare, which is still commonly used as anesthetic in "our" hospitals is based on a recipe of the indegenous people of the amazon. They never got any money for that.
Also it is very interesting, that these people say, that the plants themself have told them the recipe during their ayahuasca sessions.
Our doctors haven´t got a problem using something based on such knowledge, but when you ask them what they think about the indigenous people´s explanation of where the knowledge comes from, they say it´s bullsh*t.
Paradox?! |
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 01:02
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Anesthesic based on morpheum here , i wish to live on your farm Pointy coz i see wild life there . Ayahuasca . You seems pretty enjoing to have surgery . Many "psycho clinics" now goin to move on THC based drugs(pill) for psycho healing which will be much more safier than Prozzak. |
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 01:24
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You get morphium type substances after your operation for the pain.
It is not an anesthetic.
Maybe you believe this more than you believe me:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/c1/curare.asp
I highly recommend "The cosmic serpent" by Jeremy Narby (fantastic, easy reading book about the connection between indegenous knowledge and DNA) |
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djbim
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 10:25
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Wow i am suprised about all reaction about that what i am start here.
So at first :Acupuncture or other Chinese Medicine has nothing to do with Shamanistic
or Chakra diagnostic..
Special in the Shamanistic the healer is working under support with something what is not from our World but everybody of us have it inside.
They called it Poweranimals and special the Mexican people knows what i mean.
The Chakra diagnostic ist working with light and energie where all Life on this Earth is based on.
So for sure are this people not God or annything else and for sure they can not 100%help you when you have Cancer or some other Invection like Astma.For sure a few of this people can give you help that the illness
is not so hard like it is but they have also only a limit where they can work.
Sometimes it is the way of the Nature and that nobody can change.
But there is illness around us where nobody knows where it comes from-Like that what i had.Special when no Doctor in this World can not tell you from where it comes than maybe its time to visit some good!! Healer.
I would not go to one in the next corner on the street about like in every other business
is this sometimes only a Dreamdealer.
But when you speak with good people and you listen around you will find a serious one for sure.But the most of illnesse is based of something what is happent in the past of your life or in your Brain.
Like when you start to speak that you get Cancer in a few years and you belive in it you will get cancer for sure about in the end you will get what you want.
We have to give respect to all medicine in this world.Like you Dimitri about a Doctor is nothing else only that he is working with chemical Stuff and thats help you but all medicine on this world is based on some flowers or other Natrual elements.
So what the medicine is doing is the evolution of the Shamanistic way about thousand years ago they worked with that flowers and plants where your medicine is based on.So in the end we all juse the same but in a different style.
But Dimitri your illness keeps me intresting and i will ask around when i meet the people again if there is a way to give you help on a different way.
And when !! i get somewhere a good answer i will contact you and maybe you try to check it out about than the question will be the same like that what my friend told me.
Did you have annything to loose ?!
Peace -Bim
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 12:23
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No . i would be very thankful . Will buy your label CD's whole life if your healer can heal my astma . |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 12:49
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Bim as wrote:
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"Special in the Shamanistic the healer is working under support with something what is not from our World but everybody of us have it inside."
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It's true! The shaman can enter in a world that is hiden from those who only live in the comun reality! In this other dimension they work with positive and negative energies, so you have to know what are you doing! Their rules are not ours, they look like the rules that exist in dreams... Shamans healers insist in the existence of an inteligent "force" in some close dimension (probably what we call Gaia)!
It's not possible to expect that modern science debate the existance of a metaphisic kind of inteligence, even if that "force" is been a part of global culture for many long time, present but invisible! This blindness of our society as created one intelectual gap in our "normal" world.. we are completely unaware of the magic world of shamanism, he is simply more stranger then we cam imagine! Just the idea that shaman uses plants to comunicate with an invisible world where there are non-human kind of inteligence!! weard isn't it?
Comunities that have been separated from our ocidental culture, those who keep living in a pre-literacy society, they kept the missing link to this mistery, that we unfurtunaly forgot....
maybe it's time to get on the road again...
peace
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 12:56
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Guys you get me wrong i believe in this kind of things , i know that modern humanity or medicine do not know even 10% of what they should and it based on expirimental form same as other alternative . But are you sure that these shamans are doing or knowing it for real ? That's was a question . I think the subject you talking is too complex to make by human (unless shamans are aliens) . I respect ppl with high imagination in mature age but is it worth to believe in something you can't check ? |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:05
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dimitri, those comunities have been living like this for thousands and thousands of years....and they still do!!
i think that's a good prove that maybe shaman culture and knowledge is real!!
Of course that if you're talking about ocidental shamans, humm..., in that case i also put my serious doubts on them! but i believe in the ancient shaman culture of africa and south-america!! no doubts here mate 
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:10
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Same as i but where can i find realy "them" . |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:17
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good question budy... but i don't know the answer! Well.... we can always catch a plain and move to deep south-american forests... 
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:20
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So let's do it , maybe we will find shamans and maybe anaconda . |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:29
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1st we meet the shaman, he will protect us from the anaconda 
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 13:30
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So let's fly to Sweden then . No anaconda's but one Shaman is there . |
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 14:11
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...I would at least love to have some of their knowledge, dimitri. 
Maybe this is not really a proof, that the shamanic knowledge is "real", but maybe it will make you think a bit.
There are 250000-750000 Plant species in the Amazonas Region (exact number unknown)
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Jeremy Narby "The cosmic serpent":
There are 40 different types of Curare, made from 70 different plants. To produce it, it is necessary to combine several plants and boil them for seventy-two hours,while avoiding the fragrant but mortal vapors emitted by the broth. The final product is a paste, that is inactive unless injected under the skin. If swallowed, it has no effect.
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To me it seems quite unlikely, that the people of the amazon have stumbled over this recipe "by chance". |
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