moki
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Posted : Dec 14, 2013 19:15:20
there is a simple question that i would like to ask you, just for orientation within the complexity of our society.
the question is: are you ashamed for the years that you spent trancing while you talk to people who never belonged to this culture: like people you work with, family, neighbours, the core of society itself? how do you feel if talk to them about it? do you ever do it?
the point is, there have always been two types of trancers:
1. the first type of people was never ashamed to speak about this culture, because they believed in what they do, they knew that their soul needs this transformation and their mind grows and learns through thre trance experience more than anywhere else. they had discipline and wisdom to never abuse this culture by taking too much drugs or by forgetting the world outside of the island.
2. the second type always kept it a secret, the culture, the entheogens, most of all the drugs, because they knew in their inner self that this way of living is either good for their health nor for their mind and soul.
in the meanwhile, many years have passed, most of the trance activists from those days do not engage that much in events and have more or less left the trance island - they have jobs, they have different dreams than in those days, they enjoy life in another way. and this is the moment, when my question arises. if you belonged to the first type of people above: are you ashamed for having been part of it nowadays? was it a mistake for you? would you want to delete any footprint that you left?
faxinadu
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Posted : Dec 14, 2013 23:21
very interesting indeed... i can say that i am ashamed for some of it, not the trance part, more the doing stupid things part. but i guess it has more to do with being young and stupid than with the culture itself.
maybe ashamed is too strong a word, just like, well not there anymore
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 03:56
Not ashamed at all. I did make mistakes and performed one or another stupid stunt, but these are the kind of stupid things that I would do something equivalent if I were somewhere else.
Psytrance culture has always enriched my life and I don't think it can be seem as a liability. Traveling alone or with close friends, camping, raving, taking an acid every now and then... All good stuff!
Respect!
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Bipolar
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 05:49
Neva!!!!
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Gunter
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 11:45
In the sense, how you seem to mean it, yes. Since I do not tell everybody in my nearer personal sorrounding about everything which is linked to this scene.
muzk
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 12:40
Nah son. It's all fun and games in this life boy. You can't be getting upset at who you are, or what you like. After all, this ain't no BDSM shit, know wha' I'm sayin'?
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 13:25
Quote:
On 2013-12-15 11:45, Gunter wrote:
In the sense, how you seem to mean it, yes. Since I do not tell everybody in my nearer personal sorrounding about everything which is linked to this scene.
I think that's fair enough.
OzMike
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 13:41
Not at all. I chose to spend a good decade taking drugs & dancing, drinking and wearing phage fluro pants with fluffy smiley faces.
I need cared what others thought, this is my life and what I chose to do with it is my choice. If you don't can't accept this then there's the door.
My parents know I've done drugs, they know I went to weird bush doofs and they know my music is this crazy melodic relative stuff. They don't like it but I'm still their son so they accept it. My colleagues never understood it but I did my job well and that's what counted. My wife never got it but even back then she'd come to doofs & raves because she enjoyed being with me.
If someone tries to make me feel guilty about the way I find pleasure & explore this journey called life then they can go exit my life. If they can accept my choices and discuss it with me in a way that allows further exploration even if they disagree that's fine, but why should I feel guilty for having fun? Isn't life about the fun times? Isn't life about the exploration?
Feeling guilty for enjoying the trance lifestyle? Wtf? You need to get your head checked if you feel this way. Goa trance was/is & always will be the ultimate guilt free trip in to pure fun & exploration for me. It's why I'll love & listen to it until the day I day!
Cuntus Maximus.
Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 14:30
Not ashamed, some of the best moments of my life where religious experiences on some dancefloor.
This music and parties has had such an effect on me that had me moving to the UK to study audio tech and then spend most of my recent years, in it. I am glad I got to study the thing I love the most in life and dwell in it.
Having said that, besides the odd pisstake on here on blatant drug (ab)use, I don't mention drugs to people that are not into them or have not experienced them. I don't think drugs, lsd and dmt especially, are something I should "advertize".
Some people are just not in the "right" state of mind, or point in life, to look through the cracks of the mirror that reflects their consciousness.
Gunter
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 15:18
So, the ones who claim in this topic to be not ashamed (in moki`s sense) are also willing to tell everybody who asks them everything about the culture, including the drugs and so on, even to your grandparents or to your little children, who might get very upset or confused, because they mostly just can`t understand? Wow, I am impressed.
Of course I am also not ashamed of me being involved in that culture. But surely I don`t tell everybody everything, because I am very aware that this might make some people, who haven`t experienced something like that and are just influenced by media and "education", not exactly happy.
daark
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 18:26
This has nothing to do with shame.
Yes, sometime i felt regrets and felt shame for the stuff that i expected did not came to being or what was there was not there again. People won't understand you and pretty won't give any fuck if you tell them. Only the right people you should discuss it with them. People who understand and care. The others will just mock you or take advantage of that information obviously and sometimes its better to shut up even if you feel excited and tell everybody how experienced you are even in the circle of "the right people". Silence can be golden too. It has nothing to do with shame. Leave the expectations behind. I remember this from when i went to my very first parties and they were really awesome(or not ? ) http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers Wierd shit happens :)
Gunter
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 18:50
Of course it has nothing to do with shame to not talk about everything with everyone.
Btw the categorisation of people by moki is a very limited not complete one. Since I just opend a new third category: people who are not ashamed, but don`t talk about everything with everyone. I think that this might even be the biggest group
OzMike
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 23:06
Love how you twist my words Gunter. Nice one mate.
All I'm saying is that I will not let other ppl make me feel guilty or ashamed for the choices in life that I make, and that if they cannot accept me for who I am then I'm not changing who I am to fit in to their perspective to what a person should be.
Once you accept yourself then you do not need to change yourself to be a part of broader society, broader society needs to accept you. This is part of why the world is so screwed up.
My mother tried for years to make me drop my girlfriend, because my girl was Asian with a disability from a less wealthy part of our city. If I had given in to those years of guilt tripping & negative slander by my mother I'd not be married to my dream soul mate with a wonderful little boy right now.
Sure that has nothing to do wth trance but it shows that by giving in to those we love when they are not happy with who or what we've become can make use become less than what we can be. Less happy etc.
Ok enough, I can't be fucked explaining this. If you feel that you need to put on some lie to be respected by others, even those you love, then you had a long way to go in respecting yourselves.
Cuntus Maximus.
Yidam
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 08:20
I'm ashamed of some of the degenerates that psytrance has empowered. Especially those using the ideas of "we are one", "plur", and "freedom of speech" to be complete jackasses and give the trance scene a bad name.
I see the culture in my way and that's how I define it and talk about, however often feel like a small minority in this way of thinking especially within the regular "partygoing" scene. It's also why I like travelling to select festivals, those where are the organisers are doing it for the right reasons and doing it properly.
