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Are DJs evil?
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technoid
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 01:15
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I must not be alone in finding the nasty stuff absolutely hilarious. I love it. The people who make it must be just cracking up with laughter as they're making it. Some of my favourite types of music are Acid Techno and techstep d n'b so you understand where I'm coming from. Dark and evil sounds are the best. They grab you by the guts and move you. I like it when the sound is so thick and dense you can see it coming out of the speakers (if you take enough acid). DJ's aren't evil, some of them just have a bit of a twisted sense of humour.
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Candy
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 10:49
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Actually I've never met a dj that makes "evil music" that is actually a bad guy. They are the nicest djs around.
BUT I've met some djs that play happy music and are not so nice.
Majority is never right!
"Without music, life is meaningless."
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TiMMY
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 11:25
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How true Ravergirl 
When I come to a party what I EXPECT from a DJ is essentially to fuck up my mind.
That is, of course, can be done only (for me) with good music, a story feeling troughout the set and good mixing.
People who are taking drugs in parties should be aware of their bad influences just as they are aware of the good ones, the DJs are not to blame. |
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Zombi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 13:41
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u ppl seriously wanna judge 10000 ppl without know them ?? for sure no connection between style and personality, music is a present fromgod, or u have it or not, its not about good or bad u.
about "fuck up many brains" this things u talk before - dunno, may be u like fuck up your brain, i dont, i even dont like the idea:)
cheers.
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 13:53
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WE LIKE OUR BRAINS FUCKED UP. With or without drugs - if we'd look for anything that wouldn't be intensive on our brain, if we'd be afraid of that stuff, couldn't handle it, whatever... WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO PSYTRANCE TO BEGIN WITH.
I know I'm not really objective here since I rarely do any drugs nowadays, but if a DJ wants to fuck with my brain - good luck to him. If I'd want anything else, I'd groove with some techno or microhouse. I'd want music that when the crowd takes drugs it'll be all smiles I'd listen to some Ozric Tentacles (one of the rare live shows I've seen that made me wish I was on acid, really). I want stuff that challenges my mind as well as my feet. If anyone feels that something is too challenging for his mind, or if it's too dark, or too weird or just too much... well, then you're on the wrong dancefloor. When I dance I enjoy music for being dark, mindfucking, psychedelic or whatever. It's a totally different attitude to dance to... For instance finnish psytrance I find usually horrid to listen to at home, but dancing to it is uninhibited fun.
Viva psychedelia! Viva intensity! And if you want to try catching me off-guard, bring it on baba. That's just the way I like it.
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Zombi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 13:56
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On 2003-10-16 13:53, kaz wrote:
WE LIKE OUR BRAINS FUCKED UP. With or without drugs - if we'd look for anything that wouldn't be intensive on our brain, if we'd be afraid of that stuff, couldn't handle it, whatever... WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO PSYTRANCE TO BEGIN WITH.
I know I'm not really objective here since I rarely do any drugs nowadays, but if a DJ wants to fuck with my brain - good luck to him. If I'd want anything else, I'd groove with some techno or microhouse. I'd want music that when the crowd takes drugs it'll be all smiles I'd listen to some Ozric Tentacles (one of the rare live shows I've seen that made me wish I was on acid, really). I want stuff that challenges my mind as well as my feet. If anyone feels that something is too challenging for his mind, or if it's too dark, or too weird or just too much... well, then you're on the wrong dancefloor. When I dance I enjoy music for being dark, mindfucking, psychedelic or whatever. It's a totally different attitude to dance to... For instance finnish psytrance I find usually horrid to listen to at home, but dancing to it is uninhibited fun.
Viva psychedelia! Viva intensity! And if you want to try catching me off-guard, bring it on baba. That's just the way I like it.
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is it all have somthing with topic ba ba??;)
btw - psychedelia not have to fuck mind, but can open your eyes on new better world, make u feel outer space, give u a new perspective... its can be positive and soulfull, it can cause u smile and feel your best. psychedelia is a state of mind, if u have those agressive depressions drolling sickness that not mean everybody have it. not fuck mind. eh ab aba ababa>??
my oldtime favorite psy acts such trancewave or man made man or slinky wizard or california sunshine imo not so fuckmind but were something different, from that point psy got its new addaptation and turned to be fuckmind music im not agree anymore on this name.
and who said techno cant fuckminds or microhouse cant play with your brain?? stereotyps again. Believe your soul ! |
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CyberBoof
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 15:22
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Zombi, your are 100% right, I think that the whole [lets call it "idea"] idea of Psy trance is to "fuck" or [should i call it expand in some ways..] expand our minds .. if some ppl afraid or cannot take care of the effects with or without drugs so i think they should not hear that kind of music.
THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING IDEA.
Music Is The Soundtrack of Your Mind.... |
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Zombi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 15:43
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expand and fuck is a prety different things if u ask me, im fully about to expand mind, train it and open new perspectives. kill, fuck and other modern therms connected to todays psytrance not fit my view on whole idea. expand and use to get better is one coin, kill fuck droll is other banknote:)
viva le psychedelia!! of this kind that make u understand the whole thing without get a litlle bit of idea u got. Believe your soul ! |
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dustlove
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 16:47
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I'm with Zombi on the definition of what psy should do. I think it should expand minds and help people reach a better place on the other side. I think the terminology of "fucking" minds does nothing to help its cause.
For me it is about coming out of the dark and into the light, there are difficult paths along the way but you do reach enlightenment at the end.
As Dimitry said earlier, he plays a few tracks of dark then a morning track. It is important to offer relief in your sets - unless of course you are playing at 3.30am.
Interesting point made by Ravergirl about djs who play nasty music being some of the nicest. This is good to hear, the sort of thing I hoped to get out of starting this thread. |
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TiMMY
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 17:20
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There could be no true expention of the mind without some sort of shock (therfore "fucking").
As BLT said in his last Isratrance interview (which was made by me  ), good music is music that is so unexpected that it makes you say "Hey! what's that? let's rewind and play again!".
"fuck" is a word of many different definitions, it describes many situations in life (good and bad ones ), so it's not nesseserally a bad thing.
However, whatever word "fuck' may mean, it cannot be ignored, and that, is the essence of psytrance. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 17:28
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Hi
DJ are evil?
For me most DJs are: "KILLER OF EMOTIONS"
I also think that psycedelic trance should twist you, especially guide you into your mind.
But I agree with dustlove, that there is a lot (in my opinion the bigger part) of music at partys that really brings bad energy within the party..
a lot of agression, unexpressed emotions within the tracks which the musicans give over to the crowd...
Some wrote that it's the fault of the drugs..
Thats ridiculus... some drugs like LSD just make you MORE SENSITVE and just make you unable to DISPLACE the bad energy coming from the music anymore.
People being on alcohol, speed or other emotion killing drugs maybe don't find the music negativ.. BECAUSE They DON'T FEEL ANYMORE!
Me for my part, (and I know that I'm not alone, since 8 out of 10 friends who used to go to partys don't go anymore), find most of the music very negativ, closed and people on trips really go on bad trips..
But also sensitve people, like me, don't feel well at partys anymore, doesn't matter if drugged or not...
but those, like me, don't go to partys anymore.. so most of you wil never meet them, and me, .. and can give all the fault to the drugs...
Instead of admitting that actual psytrance is one of the most emotionkilling musicstyles at the monent.. and since the humanbeing is full of emotions it's obvious that a lot of people don't feel well anymore.
unfortunately, in psytrance, the sensitves never will be kings...
if you agree with me check this post:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=20972&forum=1
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Drope
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 18:51
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I can not agree with u SCM... but I respect ur pov...
I believe those darkest places  are within ur self, not going to the basement does not make whatever is there disappear. U better take over control of ur mind, u better know what´s there so it doesn´t stay as a shadowy influence over stuff u do. Go to the basement, face  the monster, meet me when u r back as a hero.
as one
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Zombi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 19:21
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On 2003-10-16 17:20, TiMMY wrote:
However, whatever word "fuck' may mean is the essence of psytrance.
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i thought that essence of psytrance is something different, but if u say... smells like a deep philosophy, i should take a break and think about it, but seems u are right.
Believe your soul ! |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 21:17
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@drope
I exactely expected such a response from somebody.
First: Taking control over the mind is an ILLUSION, control is an ILLUSION.
Second: The darkest places are inside of us. YES.
Get my new album and you will be afraid HOW DARK it can be!
BUT still my album is emotional. Some emotions aren't easy to carry and handle at all, because they are so dark, painful, sad... but still they are EMOTIONS! dark ones.
I'm talking from music WITHOUT emotions...
For me most of this sort of music is not guiding me into the dark places inside of me but just making me turn in circles but still giving me the impression of going forward.. again an illusion... you maybe think you find the dark places inside of you, but in fact the dark thing is that you just turn in a circle.
EMOTION: E - MOTION.. if you wanna go somewhere, for example inside of you, then you have to MOVE, you have to be in MOTION, in EMOTION..
A hero? if you are after that just take all your emotions from good to ugly (especially the dark ones) and maybe then you are a "hero"..
But listening to emotionless music that leaves you jump up and down on one place... party over party just makes you nothing.
Most of the psytrance people just seem to like not to move forward, like to step on one place turning in dark circles in the illusion of coming forward...
if one trips to such music, the trip makes the illusion disapear.. the tripper starts to feel that there is nothing to feel, which isn't a good feeling.... discovers the fake of the music that is not "e-moving"
Then some ask themselves: "is it me that do not feel?" or "why do I listen to that music that doesn't touch me, doesn't move me?"
And some stop listening to psytrance because it doesn't settle the needs of the heart.. and some stop going to party or post threads like "are dj evil?"...
But some just don't want the music to touch them, just don't want to e-move...
Ok, I respect that.
But please also respect, that for sensitves, emotionless music is terrible...
And see that some people start to take emotionkilling drugs to SURVIVE partys .. most of all unconsciously of course..
So DJ should see their responsibility.. should see into what some people are driven by emotionless music..
allways think that not everybody see such things very clear... some just come into it in a slow process.. or even just DON't know anything else..
got me?
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 16, 2003 21:49
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emotional riches - that's what we have blues for.. can't really trip out and dance to blues, tho, or any music that is highly emotional. each music has a different purpose to it.
now just wait and someone will make you a remix of billie holiday.
btw, control over your mind is not an illusion. by any means. by denying its validity you are negative thousands of years of eastern (and western) meditative practice. perhaps it's the word 'control' that you don't like. Perhaps 'knowledge' and 'direction' are better terms. |
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