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SonarBliss
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 00:16
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Hi detox,i think that you are refering to me whith the text above.We made tha conversation in private and i thought it ended there.About the incident,i said it was my fault to light the joint inside the party area and showing desrespect on that way but still the bravoi who work there must treat to people more polite instead of behaving like traboukoi..he could always say:go out and smoke it.Also,you know that drugs exist everywhere..even if you go to the court or at bouzoukia or at a club..my hole point with that conversation was that actually..on the way that he treated to me(giving fapes kai binelekia) to someone else could lead to makeleio or in onother occasion could lead someone to a bad trip and cause him a lot of mindtrouble.By the time that you know whats like in every party,in my opinion you should cooperate with bravous(or people) who know a couple of things so everyone can party with safety..if you cant do that,dont make the party at all..i ve seen far more beter security in other clubs here in greece not to mention in other countries..Also,i hadnt in my mind tous malakes pou tha ta xrewthoun,it was a more like reflective move to throw the joint down an i was not in the middle of the dancefloor,i was behind(still it doesnt change smth,it was veeery disrespectfull,from my side).
Aplying sto this,came up to my mind another incident with bravous in a party of yours(astrix,el.universe club 22)last year i was with my girlfriend and one of the bravous spoke very disrespectfull to her making some filthy comments for no reason at all..(oti thimamai,xairomai tha mou peis but as i said its just came to mind)what about that?You know and all orginizers know that a lot of securitades treat to people like pigs.. and they are the braindead who dont even have arguments to speak(remember when the bravos came out and wanted to start a fight?)..On some way it is you who have to start changing this..
It is just outopian to think that drugs will stop exist in parties.. we like it or not.. so lets find a better way of treatment to everyone no matter if takes drugs or not,if he is a kagouras or not..
p.s Sry for getting out of topic lots of times but i had to say some things about the incident which was reffered to me in order to make better parties for everyone..
peace and keep trancing with safety
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SonarBliss
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 00:34
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hmm,i made smthg wrong with that quote thing..anyway
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 02:18
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Sonarbliss i had absolutely noone in partucular in my mind when i said these words,these words apply to many people with this attitude and no one in specific.Plus i dont publish my private discussions anywhere and especially in forums.Our conversation ended where we left it the last time and i think that we both understood each other preety well.By the way i didnt even know if you are a member of this forum or not and ofcourse i never mentioned your name or something.We can speak about whatever you like in private by the way.
To get back into topic i would like to say that ofcourse noone expects drugs to disappear from any kind of parties BUT if people dont change their attitude then parties themselves are highly likely to disappear and some people (and not always them who deserve to get blamed) will have serious troubles with the law.
Like you said Peace and keep trancing with Safety,we are all responsible for that and its not something impossible to achieve,we just all have to try a little harder and think twice before acting.
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xrust
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On 2008-06-01 02:18, DETOX wrote:
To get back into topic i would like to say that ofcourse noone expects drugs to disappear from any kind of parties BUT if people dont change their attitude then parties themselves are highly likely to disappear and some people (and not always them who deserve to get blamed) will have serious troubles with the law
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totally agree with this.now pu your self in the place of the club owner and imagine you are loosing your license because someone is smoking joints in your club.wouldnt you kick his ass?
hell,we lost MAMBA ,one of the most great party place in greece for this reason..
i am not justifiing giving fapes and binelikia as sonarbliss said,but dont give wrights(mh xrewneste) 
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natmag
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 23:58
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I have done events in almost every place in Athens and i have seen the attitude of some party people and unfortunately due to this attitude club owners either dont want to host psy parties at all or when they host them they hire a lot of security to protect their place and the party itself.
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If people respected the music,the parties,the clubs or any other indoor or open air venue AND MOST OF ALL THEMSELVES AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE DANCING NEXT TO THEM then psy trance wouldnt have the bad name and reputation it now has and no security would be needed by any club to control the people except ofcourse if you think that club owners and party promoters are happy to pay every week 4-5 people for doing this job.
Alla auto pou mas noiazei einai na anapsoume ton mpafo mas stin mesi tou stage kai na perasoume kala emeis kai i parea mas kai oloi oi aloi na pane na gamithoun kai an skasoun kai tipota mpatsoi mesa to poli poli na petaksoume ton mpafo kato kai na ton xreothoun sto kefali oi malakes pou exoun to magazi kai ta koroida pou kanoun ta party.
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Dear Detox,
I would like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind.
Since you think that this audience "doesn't respect the music, parties and venues", "don't respect themselves" and "are miseducated", that must be under the "mercy" of brutal bouncers to keep in order..., plus the fact that the only thing they care about (as you say) is to use illegal substances within the venues, putting them in danger, WHY DO YOU MAKE PARTIES ADDRESSING TO THIS SCENE????
AND WHY DO OWNERS ACCEPT TO HOST THIS KIND OF BADLY REPUTATED PARTIES IN THEIR CLUBS???
IS THERE ANYONE OBLIGING YOU AND THEM????????
Now, let's talk a bit about Ammos Beach Club.
As it is widely known, most of the parties that take place in Ammos Beach Club are organized by you, and you 're a friend with the owners/managers. So, to see you trying to justify their unacceptable behaviour does not surprise me. It's good to hear their voice ;D
Concerning the party with Yotopia, I know at least 6 people who got kicked out of the place on that night, for absolutely no reason.
Shall I consider the fact that half of the croud was kicked out of the place between 3:00 and 4:00 am as a coincidence???
Or shall I call the typical progressive croud of Athens such a great potential threat to the managers, so big that they had to instruct their "security" to beat up people inside and outside of the club??? Should we be happy they didn't use guns???
The funny thing is that these "decent law-abiding entrepreneurs", after these "incidents" they so much "disliked" last weekend, moved on with an oldschool goa party last night (hihi)
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Since you think that this audience "doesn't respect the music, parties and venues", "don't respect themselves" and "are miseducated", that must be under the "mercy" of brutal bouncers to keep in order..., plus the fact that the only thing they care about (as you say) is to use illegal substances within the venues, putting them in danger, WHY DO YOU MAKE PARTIES ADDRESSING TO THIS SCENE????
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AND WHY DO OWNERS ACCEPT TO HOST THIS KIND OF BADLY REPUTATED PARTIES IN THEIR CLUBS???
IS THERE ANYONE OBLIGING YOU AND THEM????????
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they accept us to make them reacher no matter what...
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Now, let's talk a bit about Ammos Beach Club.
As it is widely known, most of the parties that take place in Ammos Beach Club are organized by you, and you 're a friend with the owners/managers. So, to see you trying to justify their unacceptable behaviour does not surprise me. It's good to hear their voice ;D
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another true comes into the light to explain why Detox support this shitty behavior of the club owners...
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natmag
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 01:14
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[/quote]they accept us to make them reacher no matter what...
But to get richer no matter what, you can't only have demands, you need to have obligations as well
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 01:17
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
Since you think that this audience "doesn't respect the music, parties and venues", "don't respect themselves" and "are miseducated", that must be under the "mercy" of brutal bouncers to keep in order..., plus the fact that the only thing they care about (as you say) is to use illegal substances within the venues, putting them in danger, WHY DO YOU MAKE PARTIES ADDRESSING TO THIS SCENE????
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I said that SOME of the people that go to parties dont respect anything,if it was the majority of the people then i wouldnt get involved in parties that address to the psy trance scene,please read my words more carefully 
By the way i never mentioned anything about brutal bouncers that are free to do whatever they like with the party crowds,i said that i wished that people respected the parties and themselves so that no security would be needed by both the club owners and the organisers.Who wants to pay for security anyway?Unfortunately the minority makes the majority look bad as usual so security is essential in our days because some people get out of limits and are a threat not only for the organisers and the club owners but also for the other party people around them.
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
AND WHY DO OWNERS ACCEPT TO HOST THIS KIND OF BADLY REPUTATED PARTIES IN THEIR CLUBS???
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Do you see many owners of good and well known clubs to host psy parties in their places?Most parties take place in shitty places because the organisers cant find a decent place to do something nice.And when a party takes place in a good club its mostly the organisers good name that allows him to book the place rather the kind of music or the open minded owner.You see most of the times its not what a person wants to do but who that person is and how credible he is into the nightlife of his city.
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
As it is widely known, most of the parties that take place in Ammos Beach Club are organized by you, and you 're a friend with the owners/managers. So, to see you trying to justify their unacceptable behaviour does not surprise me. It's good to hear their voice ;D
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I am not trying to justify anyones behavior and most of all i am not anyones voice which was a degrading comment by the way.What i am saying is just my own personal opinion which i have stated many times in the past both in public and private conversations long time before Ammos Club even existed.
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
Concerning the party with Yotopia, I know at least 6 people who got kicked out of the place on that night, for absolutely no reason.Shall I consider the fact that half of the croud was kicked out of the place between 3:00 and 4:00 am as a coincidence???
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Well i wasnt there and i dont know what and why it happened,its the organisers responsibility to speak about these matters and not mine.I cant see however anyone getting kicked out of a club for absolutely no reason.
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
Or shall I call the typical progressive croud of Athens such a great potential threat to the managers, so big that they had to instruct their "security" to beat up people inside and outside of the club??? Should we be happy they didn't use guns???
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Like i already said i wasnt there on Yotopia's event but i seriously doubt that the security of Ammos beat up any people inside or outside the club,its just not in their mentality and i have seen them countless times how they deal with any problematic incidents and that is just showing to the problematic people the exit door.
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On 2008-06-01 23:58, natmag wrote:
The funny thing is that these "decent law-abiding entrepreneurs", after these "incidents" they so much "disliked" last weekend, moved on with an oldschool goa party last night (hihi)
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Last nights party was not an oldschool goa party,it was a radio station party featuring many kinds of music including goa trance in the end ofcourse.There were many many people and i doubt that the majority of them were there for the trance part of the night.A friend of mine was there and he told me that he didnt know any of the approximately 1000 people that were at Ammos for Free Fm's events.
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natmag
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 02:43
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I said that SOME of the people that go to parties dont respect anything,if it was the majority of the people then i wouldnt get involved in parties that address to the psy trance scene,please read my words more carefully
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Trust me, I've read them more than carefully, they're on the page for everyone to see and can't be taken back. Some is something you added now Anyways, you seam like you 're very superior and too distant when you talk about the scene, sorry 
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By the way i never mentioned anything about brutal bouncers that are free to do whatever they like with the party crowds,i said that i wished that people respected the parties and themselves so that no security would be needed by both the club owners and the organisers.Who wants to pay for security anyway?Unfortunately the minority makes the majority look bad as usual so security is essential in our days because some people get out of limits and are a threat not only for the organisers and the club owners but also for the other party people around them.
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Brutality is my word and it's the result we 're facing, because things have been misunderstood by the people who do that work, and/or those who hire them.
I consider security as a vital thing for big parties as well. Its role though is simple and applies everywhere:
To protect firstly the croud (from accidents, fights, drug dealing, smuggling etc.) and secondly the venue and the promoters, all as discretely as possible.
What happens in this club is waaaaay far from that idea!!!!!!!!!
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Do you see many owners of good and well known clubs to host psy parties in their places?Most parties take place in shitty places because the organisers cant find a decent place to do something nice.And when a party takes place in a good club its mostly the organisers good name that allows him to book the place rather the kind of music or the open minded owner.You see most of the times its not what a person wants to do but who that person is and how credible he is into the nightlife of his city.
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This means you consider Ammos as a good place or a bad place???
Last weekend's party was Digital Primitive's first one, and as far as I know they didn't find a difficult time booking it, even without a credibility.
The way the "professionals" worked was the problem.
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I am not trying to justify anyones behavior and most of all i am not anyones voice which was a degrading comment by the way.What i am saying is just my own personal opinion which i have stated many times in the past both in public and private conversations long time before Ammos Club even existed.
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Isn't it true though that you closely collaborate with these people and they 're your friends???
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Well i wasnt there and i dont know what and why it happened,its the organisers responsibility to speak about these matters and not mine.I cant see however anyone getting kicked out of a club for absolutely no reason.
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I was there personally when this happened, and I saw the organisers being outside, forced by the circumstances, in order to solve many unreasonable fights and bring back the peace. I say unreasonable because especially in my friends' case of which I'm capable to speak they all knew the policy of the club from the beginning and had nothing with them at all (one of them doesn't even smoke). But the bouncers were out of control (fighting with eachother also)!!! Even some of them admitted they were overreacting and some of the kicked out people got back in.
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Like i already said i wasnt there on Yotopia's event but i seriously doubt that the security of Ammos beat up any people inside or outside the club,its just not in their mentality and i have seen them countless times how they deal with any problematic incidents and that is just showing to the problematic people the exit door.
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Don't be in any doubt about people getting beaten up, cause the exact thing happened at your last year's party with Emok Does it ring any bells???
And I remind you that half of the club's croud in one hour's time (in a proggy party) can't be found problematic. Even if you have dogs, x-rays and hair DNA test tubes
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xrust
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sotokkan
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Take the Trance outside of clubs
that only i say
and next time you will go to a Party(like ammos)
take Detox with you
will be safe..
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 04:05
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Trust me, I've read them more than carefully, they're on the page for everyone to see and can't be taken back. Some is something you added now
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First page of this topic,second post of mine,second paragraph "I have done events in almost every place in Athens and i have seen the attitude of SOME party people and unfortunately due to this attitude club owners either dont want to host psy parties at all or when they host them they hire a lot of security to protect their place and the party itself."
I highlighted the word SOME for you and you can check it on the original post too.
So please dont tell me that i altered my words cause they are there for everyone to see them and i am always very careful when i speak in public,old bad habit of mine you see
I guess no further explanations needed for this word issue.
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On 2008-06-02 02:43, natmag wrote:
Anyways, you seam like you 're very superior and too distant when you talk about the scene, sorry
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People who are distant dont get into public discussions and people who feel superior dont explain their opinions in detail to the others but just answer with short and sometimes offensive phrases like "i am doing parties for 8 years now and you are nobody so you cant tell me anything about the scene or what to do or what to not do you stupid kid".
I think that i am very polite and always available for a healthy conversation so i guess i am neither distant or superior.Actually i am more polite and available for chat than i should be but thats just another bad habit of mine.
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On 2008-06-02 02:43, natmag wrote:
Brutality is my word and it's the result we 're facing, because things have been misunderstood by the people who do that work, and/or those who hire them.
I consider security as a vital thing for big parties as well. Its role though is simple and applies everywhere:
To protect firstly the croud (from accidents, fights, drug dealing, smuggling etc.) and secondly the venue and the promoters, all as discretely as possible.
What happens in this club and most of the rest of those that make parties, is waaaaay far from that idea don't you think???
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We aggree that security is vital for parties and i also aggree with your points for the security two main roles of protecting both the party people and the party organisers/club owners.
Also i aggree with you that things sometimes get indeed out of hand but there are many cases that these things happen,sometimes mistakes by the security people and sometimes mistakes by the party people.My general belief though is that katharos ouranos astrapes den fovate meaning that if a clubber is clean he has nothing to fear of,i have been going to various parties in and out of Greece for the last ten years and never ever i faced a security problem even in my early years when parties in Greece where like a battlefield ready to explode full of various people who were there for various reasons except from having fun.Its all a matter of clubbing education i guess and respecting the place and the people around you.
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On 2008-06-02 02:43, natmag wrote:
This means you consider Ammos as a good place or a bad place???
Last weekend's party was Digital Primitive's first one, and as far as I know they didn't find a difficult time booking it, even without a credibility.
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I consider Ammos as a nice place for summer parties yes but its certainly not among the elite places for having events like Kingdom Club for example which i used last summer and for me is probably the best summer club in Greece for progressive/trance events.Still a very nice place yes.
As about booking a date in Ammos well the thing is not to book a date in April and May (especially a friday) but to book a date in the "hot" dates and especially Saturdays during June and July thats when the good connections and credibility is needed.
As about Digital Primitive (by the way i dont have a clue about the people behind it) trust me before booking their date i was one of the people who was asked whether the club should offer this date for a party to them and what kind of music would be played and what kind of people this event would attract.I told to the owners that i didnt know this organisation but Yotopia are a nice group with nice music so it wouldnt be a problem as an event and after all it was a Friday event in the end of May so it could be nice for the club to experiment a little.It was then that the club gave the ok to the organisers just for your information
By the way since you mentioned it the club owners at that time had told me that the Digital Primitive organisers (a girl in particular whose name i dont remember since they mentioned it just once) had told them that they had done other parties in the past and that around 600-700 people were expected for this event.I didnt know if Digital Primitive had done any other parties in the past but i was sure that there was no way this event would attract more than 250-300 people but even then i didnt said anything and told them to give it a shot.
Seems that sometimes apart from credibility you need some good or at least neutral references
They also asked couple of other people about this event just to let you know.
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Isn't it true though that you closely collaborate with these people and they 're your friends???
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I have done 4 parties there in one year so i yes i have collaborated with the owners though not so closely as i have done with other club owners.As about them being my friends well i know all of the owners and they always kept their promises to me but apart from business meetings i have never ever met any of them for any social meeting so i guess i cant call them my friends.If there were close friends of mine i guess i wouldnt have problems booking Saturday the 12th of July for bringing Antix in Athens LOL.
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I was there personally when this happened, and I saw the organisers being outside, forced by the circumstances, in order to solve many unreasonable fights and bring back the peace. I say unreasonable because especially in my friends' case of which I'm capable to speak they all knew the policy of the club from the beginning and had nothing with them at all (one of them doesn't even smoke). But the bouncers were out of control (fighting with eachother also)!!! Even some of them admitted they were overreacting and some of the kicked out people got back in.
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Sad to hear all these things happened because thats no good either for the party or the place.I cant have an opinion though since i wasnt there plus i dont know both sides of the story.
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On 2008-06-02 02:43, natmag wrote:
Don't be in any doubt about people getting beaten up, cause the exact thing happened at your last year's party with Emok Does it ring any bells???
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Actually the only incident that took place in last years Emok & Freq event was three clubbers beating in the parking area another guy who had teased a girl inside the party and they hit him really bad actually and it was the security who saved him and sent him to the hospital.Many people thought that it was security beating the poor (but obviously drunk) guy but it was actually a fight between clubbers.
P.S 1 Damn big post for a distant guy LOL
P.S 2 Dear Sotokan everyone is safe as long as he is clean Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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sotokkan
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Is about dreams..
is not about who is "clean" and who is not
Is about the vibe
when you dont give it its stops
then comes the forests and the sea
to give us a place to stay and to make our
future better
Take the trance out of Clubs and fasists
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What fascists have to do with the whole thing?
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after world war 2 and nazis
the fascistic conspiracy is hiding under
subliminal experiments connected to all dark and underworld species of this world
in 80s they start experimenting with
electronic music to enhance their power and catechize people through electronic subliminal messages & especially psy-trance ...
the time for trance-war II has come
.. be aware
hey people if u didnt like ammOs club ,, the simplest solution is not going there again
no need for so many arguments
good parties are done by people who share same love for the music , there is more tolerance by everyone after all
but still kangouria and people with no values
or better, drug people, are much still in this picture and spoil it a lot of times
have to agree detox
i dont like junk-faces near me too
but still i may b a fascist , or racist ,
or anti-kangouras , hehehe
people respect yourselfs & nobody will ever bother you ..
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