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Drunken Monk
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Posted : Nov 16, 2006 13:23
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Hi,
the whole thing started on another topic.. from seeing the signature of freeflow and goes like this...
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freeflow someday wrote..
Drunken Monk - yes i want to alter my mind, as in modify, restructure, redirect.. to become a better person.
but i have a hard time getting out of my patterns! i find my self in the circle all too often, doing same old mistakes, though i guess thats how it is.. until you learn.
once on lsd me and my brother came to a conclution that everything goes in circles... i think its time for a new trip soon... maybe i can find out why things goes in circles and not just straight forward, though i think i can answer that without lsd, it goes in circles so we have a chance to learn from our mistakes over and over again hehe you can probably go deeper, but i dont want to fry my unsleept brain.. i havent gone to bed yet, im thinking maybe i should go take a sauna and just relax and go to bed early!
feel free to elaborate with me
I want to alter my mind..
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there re two ways on doing that. The hard way.. and the even harder. In simple words alter of the mind can be done by changing the structure of the brain (neuro* sciences) or achieving a higher activity on specific parts of the brain (again psycho/neurobiology). The other (harder) way is by meditation. [thats why by takin lsd or other psychoactive drugs can lead you to similar states.]I m not to much in meditation so i cant tell much about it.. On a neuroscience conference Dalai Lama of Tibet give a talk about neuroscience and meditation. He said that,
"..if there was a surgery or drug that could give identical benefits to meditation then he'd definitely recommend it. Meditation is hard work.." and he wishes "..neuroscientists could find a short cut"
But with our learning capability, we are kind of, altering the mind by as you say, learning by our mistakes on our circular life [maybe its not circular though, cause its not the same. Maybe its more like a spiral(our creator loves spiral as it seems]. Some people for example that their work needs their navigation sense more active, have bigger Hippocampus (which is the brain area,which is highly used for navigation).
The use of lsd is not necessary to do what you say (but only if you have taken acid at least 2-3 times before, which i fortunately think you do  )
One other thing that can be added also as a 'tool' is brain waves and binaural beats and in general psychoacoustic.
It is a nice and interesting area..
::cheers::
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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2006 14:35
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Maybe u should try Silicon Implants 
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Drunken Monk
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Posted : Nov 16, 2006 15:42
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yes its part of the neuro* science.. but mostly re researched so to be used on health problems (or for superduper soldiers in the mind of the militarists). It can expand your senses so you in some way alter your mind. (increased senses will cause to think different..)
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 16, 2006 23:53
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i think that is great......that you want to alter yourself for the better.......and the great thing is that you realize this and that you are conscience about as well......
so......you condition yourself...........condition yourself to always TRYING to be a better person in very aspect......catch yourself doing things.......actions that you have committed that you would rather not repeat......and learn from them.....
apologize when you do something wrong.....lose the ego.......and move forward........
absorb everything you can......and emit positive energy.......
try to do the "right" thing.......and when things get difficult........and they will........remember to "dig deep".........and have faith that there is a "purpose" in what you are doing.....
i believe it is a matter of 'conditioning' yourself.....
and just have faith that what you are doing is something very positive....
these are things that i find for myself to be things that make me a happier person......
peace n energy
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 02:26
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Hey!
Nice thread Drunken Monk
I would like to know more about meditation.
http://home.att.net/~meditation/MeditationHandbook.html
http://www.1stholistic.com/Meditation/hol_meditation_taoist_meditation.htm
"A lot of people who are successful in their chosen field, and who have also managed to overcome stress, meditate, even if they haven't learnt how to do it in any formal way. You might be able to think of some people like this; they never rush about, and you might sometimes happen on them sitting in their office, appearing to do nothing, just sitting and thinking. If you become good at meditation, eventually you'll also be able to meditate without even thinking about it."
" learning by our mistakes on our circular life [maybe its not circular though, cause its not the same. Maybe its more like a spiral(our creator loves spiral as it seems]."
- yeah, maybe both circels and spirals!
"You have circled this mountain long enough. Now turn north" (Deuteronomy 2:3).
"Sometimes we move in hollow circles that become dreary, but the emblem of life is a spiral" (a little modified from the real sentence)
Magox - lovely words! just the way i try to live my life, though i dont know if there always is a purpose, but i can create on my self
cheers everyone
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 02:50
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Drunken Monk
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 11:52
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yeap.. nice said magox. Even tho i m not able to always act like that.
Its interesting subject and i like that likes to others too
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Well, when we hear meditation it comes in our mind eastern cultures and religions. I dunno if its possible (even if it is, it will be kind of hard) to adopt their thinking and way of life in whole. They re doing it since they re borne.
What magox said (and that youre doing) its a way, similar to gnosticism [Gnosi = Knowledge in greek]. Gaining knowledge by personal experience. In higher levels tho, other techniques beside concentration, are again requiered.
As i said in the first post.. psychoacoustic can be used also to put our brain in a state. Our brain responses and finaly 'synchs' to audio (or visual) frequencies.
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Nov 18, 2006 06:44
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as i always say:
"meditation its like using the stairs, psychedelic drugs are like using an elevator"
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 18, 2006 14:31
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On 2006-11-18 06:44, psytheriatsunami wrote:
as i always say:
"meditation its like using the stairs, psychedelic drugs are like using an elevator"
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jaja.....as silly as this sounds......
i think there could be some truth to this.....i know that for me......i am convinced that i have opened up new doors in my brain through out my life time of consuming certain psychotropic substances.......and that i have been able to carry some of these things over into my "real" life.....
i guess what i am trying to say is that i have had certain thoughts that i had never been able to achieve "originally" without the consumption of a psychotropic....
and i was able to carry some of those thoughts and feelings with me into my life....
and for me it was a good thing.....
now i am not saying this is something that is necesary.......because obviously it is not.......we can all achieve "higher" and "elevated" states of conscienceness without consuming drugs.....
just for me.....it helped to spur this process.....
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Nov 19, 2006 06:48
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then magox.... you took the elevator my friend.
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 15:29
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On 2006-11-18 06:44, psytheriatsunami wrote:
as i always say:
"meditation its like using the stairs, psychedelic drugs are like using an elevator"
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yes thats true,but I have to add that with meditation u go up through the stairs and when u finish u still staying up on the stair where u let the med practise, and then go down the stairs again slowly...
with drugs u take the elevator and go up faster but when the drug effect is end u start to fall down rude n unballanced, and find ur self in a lower state u left before u use the drug...
with the drug u allow an outer material stranger factor to handle ur mind and activate an inner area,with meditation u allow an inner microcosmic subtance wich is urs ,to awake and activate an area of ur mind with a pure way...
But! if the drug is natural and do the use with respect for the substance and add a lit bit ritualistic spirit on the use,communicate telepathetically with the elemental spirit of the substance by asking the permission for the use as a sacred moment, and do meditation then u go up with an elevator and after the end of the med practise u start to fall down slow,and not rude and fast and unballanced.. 
believe me because thats the way way I do and it works,and I have tried those 3 ways and have seen the differences..
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 07:17
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Meditation is unparalleled. If you learn to meditate efficiently then there is really nothing that could make u stronger spiritually, mentally and physically. Chakra meditation is one of the types and it focuses on the individual and his focal energy points. I highly recommend it to you and if u guys need additional information check out the "Autobiography of a Yogi" topic in the read-only India section.
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 02:57
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Gopinesh said..
"...with drugs u take the elevator and go up faster but when the drug effect is end u start to fall down rude n unballanced, and find ur self in a lower state u left before u use the drug... "
well i have to say that each drug would be a diferent elevator... drugs are very diferent, also the elevator is balanced by your emotional state... for example when alcohol can give u euforia as well as a deep depression.
i also would say that this "elevators" doses would be the number of the floor you are tryinn to get...
So people be carefull with Drugs, get informed about the elevator cause some are very unsafe, there some where you "cant clearly see wot floor your heading" before its too late....
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Gopendragon
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psytheriatsunami said...
"well i have to say that each drug would be a diferent elevator... drugs are very diferent, also the elevator is balanced by your emotional state... for example when alcohol can give u euforia as well as a deep depression"
I agree on the different elevator and the diff drug point,but about the ballance u say dont be so sure,because u said about only the emotional state wich is almost the same for everyone,if u add the mental state wich is different for everyone then we dont have ballance for sure,the mind is what make it unballanced
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 9, 2006 06:41
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I agree with yo gopi.
emotional and mental balance are important but we are missing many more thins like.
phisical state, personality, environment.
if one of this gets heavily unbalance you can have a kind of bad consequence like:
a a kind of badtrip, mental disease, death... and more.
Drugs should be taken with preparation of all this areas, phisicall, mental, envirnomantel, cognitive.. etc.
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