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again...Israel...Baloons...STABINGS!!!!
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a3k
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Posted : May 24, 2004 19:31
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forgot...wish the bests 2 those who got injured!may shiva heal them quickly!
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Janux
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Posted : May 24, 2004 20:06
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Oran
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Posted : May 24, 2004 20:10
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On 2004-05-24 20:06, Jehan wrote:
Is it possible to get party organizers to not allow balloon dealers in?
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the only way to do it in underground partys is to work with "ppl" from the same kind...
fight fire with fire....
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : May 24, 2004 20:29
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it would seem like getting more and better security is a step that can help BUT we all know that the serious security comp' ,the ones that people know not to fuck with...are owend and run by the big crime families of Israel(thats the reason that no one fucks with them!!!) so what we are actually doing is supporting people that are "more" aggressive and scary(and coast A LOT) to push away the smaller ones....any way we go threw all this insanity so people can dance and chill in good vibe??????
this is not about how safe and expensive the production is...we must face it...our scene here attracts many negetive people that the only way to handle is either...more and "improoved" violence(dressed in the shiny blue security jackets)
which again supports other crime org'...or by the LAW that has the legal right and ways to face the prob'...BUT as we all know and as i said in the begining...."as long as Trance will be so popular and attract so many drug users,this shit will happen again and again..." LIKE IT OR NOT trance was "born and raised" under the umbrela of drugs and iligality(im no white sheep my self) and now we are eating what we cooked.
the only solution is legal parties...a thought that allmost brings tears to my eyes...OR the last chance of going small and underground again...maybe by the rise of a new super scene that will ebmrace the drug use image and would be the most killlaaaaaahhhhh new way to be a teenager on a drug rampage....sad 
"....or is it???"
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 25, 2004 00:24
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I have a solution; USE only the serious security companies, that you mentioned djnomolos for instance. At parties at places Like the TLV there aren't these kinds of problems, am I right (I don’t know I’m merely speculating, never been there for obvious reasons when you live in Denmark)?
The party organizer should openly advertise that his parties are clear of "balloons", thus he will get good promotion and establish a good name for himself, once people see that these people do not attend at his parties. His parties might be a bit more expensive, but as I understand from all the complaints regarding these damn balloons it would be more then worth it for you Israelis. Concerning underground parties you’ll just have to make sure the good old fashion way that only the people you want come to the parties (using the mobile pyramid system).
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 25, 2004 01:14
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Then get new organizers, organizers who pay taxes and who respect the law. I have done drugs before but would never consider consuming drugs (not to even mention selling) during my own parties, that’s just plain stupid, even with the police in Denmark.
I have seen thousands of Israelis around the world who are true trancer’s, who have the right spirit, so what they all just stopped parting in Israel? So they take drugs, SO what, 50-80% of our scene takes drugs (differs from country to country).
It’s amazing what can be solved using the human mind, I think people smoke to much weed instead of thinking op ways of stopping these Simple criminals.
Think creatively, as someone else said if you can’t win legally then do it illegally, pay-off other more “connected” criminals to hold op those small time knife using mother fuckers.
Again I will repeat my-self, if you want to make sure they don’t show op at underground parties then make DAMN sure that only people you trust are invited to the parties, thus only “good” (what is that anyway) come to the parties.
I know what you mean but people will always find ways to get there "goodies" into the party.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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full_on
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Posted : May 25, 2004 05:04
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Sad, sad, sad... 
Wish all the best for the organizers...
Respect!!!
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell... |
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DJ Hoffman
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Posted : May 25, 2004 07:42
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It's sad to see that this 2 dudes got harm I wish they restablish as soon as possible.
I really have respect for all you Israeli people that love trance and do positive things for it 
Israel is certainly a dangerous place especially with the war shit and terrorism shit in the streets  In Mexico there is similar situation in the trance parties, those 'gangstaz' dont inhale or sell Nitrous Oxide (...yet) otherwise they do other things like crack. This people get agressive and many begin to steal things from the tents or the cars. At least in my city, organizers pay the goverment for 'permissions' to do the parties, they send cops armed with rifles and handguns  to search for weapons and drugs only at the entrance. Everybody manages to introduce substances like lsd or xtc , but marihuana or anything more dificult to hide (like this gas u are talking about) is usually detected. Inside the party they r only security from private org. and they know the nature of this parties so they wont take u out if they see u smoking a joint 
So i think its good idea to have the party attenders being check by the police (or security) before entrance, this way u can locate the gas tanks and weapons And if u you want to keep it very underground like the oldschool then pay some big tough fat dudes with bats or something 
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The Green Channel
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Posted : May 25, 2004 11:19
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I will do (in a couple of month), Das Funk.
I think you are exaggerating, when I say pay taxes, I don’t mean that the organizer should do everything by the book, there are many ways of "cheating", again think creatively you maybe pay taxes of 40% of what is earned in the entrance , that’s how we do it in Denmark, and I know you can do the same in Israel, then your business "looks" legit.
As I said you the "good" trancer's must encourage good party organizers, not to rip people off, how do you do that? You simply support the people who are reasonable (in terms of the price), but you should be willing to pay more if the party has a top-notch security level, that stops the balloon-gangs or is supported by more respectable criminals´, that stop the small timers, that stap people.
Another thing, with all do respect Das Funk you can’t take drugs either here Denmark, but people manage.
* I read it before they deleted it Das Funk.
"Love is a way of life"
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Dr_Faguntes
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Posted : May 25, 2004 13:54
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On 2004-05-24 19:31, a3k wrote:
may shiva heal them quickly!
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humm... I would leave that to the doctors |
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isots
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Posted : May 26, 2004 07:11
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I'm sorry to hear people got hurt. I can't really see anything like that happening at a party here. It's really just a matter of supply and demand though. If people really don't want the balloons at parties just stop buying them. If these guy aren't making money they aren't going to show up. |
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Chaka Laka
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Posted : May 26, 2004 09:14
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ok , WE can just stop doing baloons .. but there are many others WEs who attend trance parties
Dance is my Trance |
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Elad
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Posted : May 30, 2004 23:12
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I PERSONLY GET SICK JUST SEE THOSE PPL WHEN IM TRIPPIN....
OHHH BUT WHERE THEY COME FROM????
FROM ANYONE WHO TRIES MAKE $$$ FROM THIS SCENE....
IM TODAY IN ISRAELL WONT GO TO BIG COMMERCIAL PARTY (tsunami - avi vezohar - tipa bateva - any other bug that sms me tones of shity parties..) CAUZE IT ALWAYS FULL WITH ARSIM THAT FALL ON THE GROUND SINCE THEY EAT 10 BALLOONS.... BEAUTIFUL PPL IS NO LONGER GOT MEENING ANYMORE.... ITS ALL ABOUT AS MUCH MORE PPLZ COMIN PAYIN 120 SHEKELZ TO GET IN PLACE U NEED TO PAY 10 SH. FOR WATER ... SO IF U AINT GOT 400 SH. (DRUGZ GAZ GET IN AND DRINK 2-3 WATER BOTTLES U BETTER STAY HOME...
I CAN REMEMBER IT WAS INOUGH TO HAVE 50 FOR DRUGZ 50 TO GETIN AND 50 MORE FOR GAZ AND FREE WHATEVER U CAN WANT... TODAY WITH 150 SH. U CAN BEARLY GET IN AND GET WATER...
JUST NOT THAT BIG FUN!!!
now what can b done to solve this situation?
i personly arrange parties for me and my 30-40 friendz no $$ involved so its pure fun.. hope u do the same (or u enjoy that big commercial parties??)  |
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